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re: Steve Young is the best QB of the 1990s
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:19 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:19 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Sorry Favre threw 63 more INTs and was ridiculously less efficient against slightly tougher competition. Had he thrown WAY LESS INTs, then his argument would be stronger.
All Decade 2nd team. The voters sure don't agree with you.
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:22 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
He's starting to look like the 0-16 Lions.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:24 pm to theducks
PTE is what happens when you rely exclusively on stats. Dude didn't watch any of these teams or players but he's defending his opinion to the death. It's comical.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:30 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
There's why I don't jump into these debates about players from the 70s and 80s threads unless somebody says something totally out of line.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 8:33 pm to theducks
Marino derserves some mention here although he may have been better in the 80s early 90s. Young got to throw to Jerry rice the goat and TO. Give Marino a running back some of these other guys had and we might be calling him goat
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:21 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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You lose, bud.
WOW... I can go even DEEPER into qb stats if that's what you want/... But I will not waste my time doing that with someone who talks out of both sides of their face...
Again.... Stats are NOT all there is about football....
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:34 pm to theducks
Me either. I normally just provide their yearly rankings against their peers but don't draw any conclusions. Feel like a fraud saying so-and-so was better than so-and-so without ever watching them play.
Now I'll use the hell out of stats for current and recent guys, but I feel justified because I've seen them play.
Even I'll admit that relying heavily on stats to show a player's worth in the NFL is problematic. There are so many variables that affect those stats (run and pass blocking, runs and receptions called back for penalties, receivers not getting separation, etc.) that don't show up on the stat sheet.
Now I'll use the hell out of stats for current and recent guys, but I feel justified because I've seen them play.
Even I'll admit that relying heavily on stats to show a player's worth in the NFL is problematic. There are so many variables that affect those stats (run and pass blocking, runs and receptions called back for penalties, receivers not getting separation, etc.) that don't show up on the stat sheet.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:13 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Yeah, exactly. If somebody is trying to say frickin' Bradshaw was a better QB than Peyton Manning if be in there with the quickness to shoot that down. The modern athlete is better than 99% of those guys from yesteryear. Modern training, workout regimen, living the sport, etc etc etc etc. list goes on and on. And 40 years from now me and you will be like PEEEEJJ and Mixzou on here clamoring for our guys vs theirs. Just like they were telling their grandpas and dads in the 80s about Marino and Montana. There's advancements in the game and in our daily lives that makes us better physically over time.
I'd argue that the different is exponentially growing slower and slower though with the introduction of advanced statistics in over the last decade + showing us how to get better and more efficient while outputting the same workload.
I'd argue that the different is exponentially growing slower and slower though with the introduction of advanced statistics in over the last decade + showing us how to get better and more efficient while outputting the same workload.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:43 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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When you think about Elway's superbowl success, Terrell Davis immediately comes to mind.
No it doesn't.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:46 pm to saintsfan92612
Warren Moon does get overlooked but the best QB of the 90's was Marino
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:51 pm to ThePTExperience1969
You actually made a decent argument.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:00 am to Bench McElroy
People act like Denver had these awesome defenses because Dan Reeves structured the team around that and just told John, do your thing.
But for Elway during his prime?
1986 - 15th in D
1987 - 7th in D
1988 - 20th
1989 - 8th
1990 - 16th
When he was willing teams to Super Bowls before his basically, post-career renaissance in the late 90's.
Orange Crush was sort of - ah, okay, you're not like that bad.
But for Elway during his prime?
1986 - 15th in D
1987 - 7th in D
1988 - 20th
1989 - 8th
1990 - 16th
When he was willing teams to Super Bowls before his basically, post-career renaissance in the late 90's.
Orange Crush was sort of - ah, okay, you're not like that bad.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:09 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
The funniest thing of all is the people on here 30 and younger talking about John Elway if they saw the guy play his entire career
John Elway is the complete QB. All these QB's who people say are better than Elway lacked something that Elway did not. You cannot find an area of his game that he wasn't amazing. Montana, Brady, Marino, Bradshaw and Manning all had weaknesses
If someone would put together a QB in a lab John Elway would come out. Athletic, Arm Strength, Intelligent, Leader, Winner.
John Elway is the complete QB. All these QB's who people say are better than Elway lacked something that Elway did not. You cannot find an area of his game that he wasn't amazing. Montana, Brady, Marino, Bradshaw and Manning all had weaknesses
If someone would put together a QB in a lab John Elway would come out. Athletic, Arm Strength, Intelligent, Leader, Winner.
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 12:10 am
Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:24 am to Master Vader
No, that would be Aaron Rodgers or Steve Young or Joe Montana or Dan Marino. Also, the 1989 Denver defense was ranked 1st in scoring defense and 3rd in total defense against a pretty damn good SOS that was an awesome Denver defense with Dennis Smith and the addition of Steve Atwater.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:34 am to ThePTExperience1969
Dan Marino could not move. He was a statue in the pocket.
Joe Montana did not have the arm strength nor the athletic ability of Elway
Steve Young could not even win the starting job in Tampa early in his career. Everyone remembers Young with the Niners but not Young with Tampa
Aaron Rodgers is the only thing close to Elway.
I think this is just another version of the Big Game
If I had the First Pick of a hypothetical NFL Draft including all the players I would go with Elway.
Joe Montana did not have the arm strength nor the athletic ability of Elway
Steve Young could not even win the starting job in Tampa early in his career. Everyone remembers Young with the Niners but not Young with Tampa
Aaron Rodgers is the only thing close to Elway.
I think this is just another version of the Big Game
If I had the First Pick of a hypothetical NFL Draft including all the players I would go with Elway.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 2:10 am to ThePTExperience1969
I actually always felt he's underrated even though he's a top tier qb
I might agree actually
I might agree actually
Posted on 6/30/17 at 4:18 am to Lacour
quote:
When you think about Elway's superbowl success, Terrell Davis immediately comes to mind.
quote:He should.
No it doesn't.
1997 - 2000 yards rushing and receiving
wild card - 34 attempts, 184 yards, 2 TDs
divisional - 25 attempts, 101 yards, 2 TDs
conference - 26 attempts, 139 yards, 1 TD
super bowl - 30 attempts, 157 yards, 3 TDs
1998 - 2200 yards rushing and receiving
divisional - 21 attempts, 199 yards, 2 TDs
conference - 32 attempts, 167 yards, 1 TD
super bowl - 25 attempts, 102 yards, 0 TDs
He was an absolute monster in the regular season and playoffs for Elway's title runs.
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 4:20 am
Posted on 6/30/17 at 6:34 am to StrongBackWeakMind
TD and the offensive line were the absolute centerpieces for those title runs
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:19 am to ThePTExperience1969
But you have said yourself that the QB position is the most important position on the field.... make up your mind... as great as the online and TD were, Denver doesn't even get to those SBS without Elwsy.... you can try to spin it anyway you want but it's the truth....
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:51 am to ThePTExperience1969
Steve young was my favorite player growing up, so I'd like to agree with the OP assertion. It's probably between favre and young.
At his best (1994), Young was easily better than favre, but over the span of the decade more people would probably lean favre.
At his best (1994), Young was easily better than favre, but over the span of the decade more people would probably lean favre.
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