re: The US Overdose Epidemic - Big Deal Or Meh?

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Why the frick isn't more being done to fight drug manufacturers and the medical profession is stopping this? We can fight the cartels, sure, but they're simply profiteering off of what domestic drug dealers manufacture.

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They're doing plenty. That's how we got into this mess.

By making access as difficult as possible we're forcing people to look to the street for painkillers.

lol no one takes heroin becuase of peer pressure/. its HEROIN. that's like saying iu'm conserned about people jumping off the golden gate bridge because of peer pressure


this is literally why 9 out of 10 people start doing heroin


- pills. either legal (bad back whatever, cancer, anything that requires an opiate like a hydro or something) or illga ( some kid popping hydros becuase sonme kid at his school is selling them and all his friends are doing it)

- they run out of their easy supply (legal script and can't get another or their connect stops selling them or in the case of my ex gf who was a nurse she got fired and could not ccuff free roxys ast work anymore)


- they have to start buying pills on the street. A 120 pill script of generic roxys costs $5 dollars at the pharmacy with inbsurance. Each pill goes for thirty dollars apiece on the street. When you doing 4 pills a day with a $4 dollar script that's not bad at all. when that cost you $120 a day... and keep in mind that's 4 pills to feel normal, to be able to function, not to get high, at that point if you want to get fricked up you need 7 or 8.... you can't afford it anymore


- on the contary, a gram of some chyna white will run you $200 ihn LA i would guess probably.. $150 in new orelans A gram of some raw will last that 4 pill a day person three to four days. So in a week I can live off $400 a week whereas doing pills will cost you $800-1000 at some point it's just simple econimics


- person does Heroin and ODs


I mean with all that said i'm not defending it. my ex she got arrested, and got cleaned up, and her dad said i will bail you out of jail if you go to rehab and she got out and never showed up. so that's on her for not getting a get out of jail free card and not taking advantage of it. there is aloways a way out. most just don't want it. but utnil they hit that bottom, i want them to be alive

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Why the frick isn't more being done to fight drug manufacturers and the medical profession is stopping this?

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Big Pharma lobbyists.

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they have to start buying pills on the street. A 120 pill script of generic roxys costs $5 dollars at the pharmacy with inbsurance. Each pill goes for thirty dollars apiece on the street. When you doing 4 pills a day with a $4 dollar script that's not bad at all. when that cost you $120 a day... and keep in mind that's 4 pills to feel normal, to be able to function, not to get high, at that point if you want to get fricked up you need 7 or 8.... you can't afford it anymore

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"Street" can also mean friends that start dealing to support their habit. Which is what happened to my roommates at lsu, miserable people to be around at that time. but I couldn't be happier they ended up ok.

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You can't blame the doctors

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Exactly. Not when they are told they have to always treat pain as a 5th vital sign. Doctors are made to feel like if they don't treat the patient's pain...they don't care about their patients and their patient satisfaction scores tank. This was pushed in hospitals as well. Pain is "whatever the patient says it is". Nurses are encouraged to demand stronger pain medication from the doctors whenever their patients are in pain. Hospitals have made patients feel like they are in a damn hotel and can ask for whatever they want instead of them being in an actual hospital. People think they can just demand anything they want in a hospital like they do in any other business....cause they think the "customer is always right". But with healthcare...that isn't the case. Doctors need to be able to tell patients (and their families) "no" whenever it is in the best interest of the patient.

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the doctors were lied to by the manufacturer of OxyContin as to its addiction likeliness.

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This is also huge. Doctors were told this medication had a very low risk of addiction with it. They were told it was absolutely safe to prescribe.



So before people start placing all the blame on the doctors....take a look at your expectations of your healthcare. To make a real change with this epidemic....we have to change the culture of healthcare basically....including how patients and families expect to be treated. Again...doctors need to be able to say no. This change in culture could also impact the antibiotic threat as well.

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The cause experts say? Addiction to Rx pain kills like Oxycontin whose recipe was changed to combat it. Now, cheap heroin has to take the place of Rx meds and this is the result.

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That is just one of the 3 parts that caused this problem, it is what created the demand.

Getting rid of the Taliban is the 2nd part since they had essentially eliminated the heroin trade. Now that they are gone 90% of the worlds dope originates from there so getting rid of them created the supply.

The 3rd part was legalizing pot. I am aware pot is not legal everywhere yet but since it has been legalized in Colorado, Washington and now California the prices of pot are only a fraction of what they used to be. The prices are so low in fact that the Cartels can't make any money from pot so they had to find a new product to really push. They saw there was a huge demand for heroin and they saw there was a huge supply so now they just had to make it affordable. Once they found dirt cheap Fentanyl they were not only able to do that but they could make dope much more potent while using way less heroin, so even with them selling the heroin for less their margins went through the roof. They used the network they already had in place for weed and that covered marketing and distribution.

Those 3 things have created the perfect storm and the ONLY way to solve it is to build a wall and go hard after the remaining dealers. Of course dope will still get through but it will only be a fraction of what did before. That will cause the distribution costs to skyrocket which in turn will make the cost to the end user much higher than it is today. The price will be so high that it will be way too expensive for new users to become addicts. current addicts will have to get help because they will no longer be able to afford their addictions, they will get arrested trying to support it and get clean in jail/prison or they will die. No matter which they choose the problem will be solved. If we build the wall and implement the death penalty for dealers in just a few years there will be no more heroin problem.

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So before people start placing all the blame on the doctors

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Nurse please believe me when I tell you doctors are to blame, especially docs still dishing out Oxy after ~2005. Not all doctors, or even most, put 95% of pills addicts took came from less than 5% of doctors. Those doctors knew DAMN WELL what they were doing. Nobody went from vicodins or 5mg-10mg percocet to heroin without going through 30mg roxicodones or 80mg oxycontins first and legit doctors did not write those.

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Nurse please believe me when I tell you doctors are to blame,

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I had a doctor writing me 120 lorcet, 120 soma, 60 2mg xanax bars while I was 17 in HS in 1999, doc didn't give two shits about my for real back pain... a year later he bumped me up to 90 Oxcontin 80mg

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I had a doctor writing me 120 lorcet, 120 soma, 60 2mg xanax bars while I was 17 in HS in 1999, doc didn't give two shits about my for real back pain... a year later he bumped me up to 90 Oxcontin 80mg

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Jesus, you're lucky to be alive. But I bet it was easy to get laid in HS.

I was a zombie and didn't even realize it at times... I literally don't remember my 2nd semester of college except for bits and pieces but I made great grades somehow.

Only think I took like I was supposed to was the xanax and it helps me focus on busy work really well. I killed it bartending that semester at a local Mexican restaurant