- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Article Drops About Oregon St Ace Felony Molestation Conviction
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:21 am to chRxis
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:21 am to chRxis
Sorry to offend, and that you had to experience and overcome it. It wasn't intended to be a sly remark towards victims at all but more of what the victim has to unfairly overcome .
In your opinion, what should the university do regarding Hemlich?
In your opinion, what should the university do regarding Hemlich?
2
Posted on 6/9/17 at 11:58 am to Rhino5
quote:
what should the university do regarding Hemlich?
They won't do anything.
The University doesn't ask about criminal history on admissions. Read that the Admin is supposed to report to the athletic dept about all sexual offenders. So, Pat Casey knew about his young pitcher and his past if the SOP was followed through.
He's going to be pitching this weekend.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:17 pm to LSUintheNW
quote:
Still, Oregon law mandated that he was required to register as a sex offender in that state when he arrived in Corvallis to play baseball for the Beavers in September 2014. At some point around that time he did, but this year he failed to update his status as required and in April he was charged with a misdemeanor, a charge that later was dismissed when prosecutors agreed that he did not have sufficient knowledge of Oregon reporting requirements.
Apparently, ignorance of the law actually is an excuse.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:19 pm to slackster
Well this is interesting:
quote:
According to Baseball America, Heimlich is the 43rd-best prospect in the nation, though the publication announced Thursday that it was removing him from its all-America team. Editor John Manuel also said that MLB teams already knew about Heimlich’s past.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:38 pm to Rhino5
quote:
what should the university do regarding Hemlich?
nothing... you can't keep crucifying this dude for something he's already paid for and that he will continue to pay for on the sex registry....
this guy 8 out of 10 was subject to molestation himself, or has a pre-existing mental disease... both of which can be somewhat fixed with medication and/or therapy, or a combo of the 2... to discount him as a 2nd rate citizen because of what his situation may be is very misinformed and judgmental... and sure at 15 you do know right from wrong, but it doesn't mean that you are mature enough to fully know the consequences of your actions... add to the fact that he was probably becoming sexually interested in the opposite sex, and you have the "fricked up" stew that is this story...
but if the dude has done his time to society, who are we to continue doling out justice because of our selfish need for retribution...
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:52 pm to chRxis
He did zero time.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:55 pm to chRxis
quote:Except, he didnt......
but if the dude has done his time to society
quote:Likely, which is why he needs to be kept away from the general pop
or has a pre-existing mental disease
quote:Possibly. Which if true, my heart breaks. But it if proof that something needs to be done to end the cycle...
this guy 8 out of 10 was subject to molestation himself
Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:57 pm to slackster
quote:
Editor John Manuel also said that MLB teams already knew about Heimlich’s past.
Figured so.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:05 pm to LSUintheNW
I don't think it's fair that a guy like this could potentially make millions by his late 20's. I just think it's sad that so many people try to act as judge, jury, and executioner.
So many people want this kid dead or serving life...which I think is a bit much. It is our job as a society to try to make as many people productive citizens if possible.
Many of you are on this holier-than-thou trip. So you don't want the kid to play baseball. Fine, I don't wholly disagree. But if he works at a restaurant, do you never eat at that chain? If he works at Best Buy, do you not shop there? Society is filled with these people who are essentially sick-in-the-head.
I've heard the irrational opinions. What do you all suggest happens to this guy?
So many people want this kid dead or serving life...which I think is a bit much. It is our job as a society to try to make as many people productive citizens if possible.
Many of you are on this holier-than-thou trip. So you don't want the kid to play baseball. Fine, I don't wholly disagree. But if he works at a restaurant, do you never eat at that chain? If he works at Best Buy, do you not shop there? Society is filled with these people who are essentially sick-in-the-head.
I've heard the irrational opinions. What do you all suggest happens to this guy?
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:08 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:Permanently put in the care of a mental environment. Let him work, but only under supervision
What do you all suggest happens to this guy?
Come up with a similar system to probation, but for mental illness that is a danger to society
I want this for far more than just pedos as well. Look at sandy hook, look at Charleston, look at Aurora
All mental illness. Our country completely ignores the danger of mental illness
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:11 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:
I just think it's sad that so many people try to act as judge, jury, and executioner.
So many people want this kid dead or serving life...which I think is a bit much. It is our job as a society to try to make as many people productive citizens if possible.
Many of you are on this holier-than-thou trip. So you don't want the kid to play baseball. Fine, I don't wholly disagree. But if he works at a restaurant, do you never eat at that chain? If he works at Best Buy, do you not shop there? Society is filled with these people who are essentially sick-in-the-head.
this... this right here is absolutely correct...
quote:
He did zero time.
i meant it figuratively speaking, in regards to the sex registry, not necessarily literally to actual time in a juvenile detention center
This post was edited on 6/9/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:13 pm to lsupride87
Do you put people in permanent care before they commit crimes, or only after? How do you prove someone is screwed up in your eyes? How accurate are the evaluations?
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:19 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:Those are all great questions that would need to be answered. All I do know, is what we are doing now, sticking our heads in the sand, isnt working
Do you put people in permanent care before they commit crimes, or only after? How do you prove someone is screwed up in your eyes? How accurate are the evaluations?
Posted on 6/9/17 at 1:53 pm to lsupride87
If I am the coach and school, I tell him he can finish his academic year, but he is no longer on scholarship for baseball and representing the school in the public eye.
I don't want the guy to go to jail or be killed, but being on that team is a privilege and just a few years ago he lost that privilege.
I hope continues to get any help he needs, but it wouldn't be on my team at my university. Playing sports isn't a universal right.
The repeated nature of the molestation over several years is the worst part to me. He didn't do this once. He had time to go home, think about what he did, and decide to continue to do it for a long time.
I don't want the guy to go to jail or be killed, but being on that team is a privilege and just a few years ago he lost that privilege.
I hope continues to get any help he needs, but it wouldn't be on my team at my university. Playing sports isn't a universal right.
The repeated nature of the molestation over several years is the worst part to me. He didn't do this once. He had time to go home, think about what he did, and decide to continue to do it for a long time.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 2:01 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Our country completely ignores the danger of mental illness
Our country ignoring mental illness is about the only thing I agree with that you've typed. It is pretty clear you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to these issues. And that is okay, you probably shouldn't be expected to.
But what is frustrating is reading you present these opinions on something you just don't know anything about. You did it earlier when you stated that it is better be dead than to go through sexual abuse, which I think you thought was supportive but actually just communicates a terrible message to victims of abuse.
Here you state that people with mental illness should be:
quote:
Permanently put in the care of a mental environment. Let him work, but only under supervision
Nearly half the people alive have met criteria for some form of mental illness in their lifetime. What I think you meant were that people with sexual impulses toward kids and people with psychotic disorders (I'm just guessing based on the shooting references although Charleston had nothing to do with that). The vast majority of people who fall into the psychotic disorder categories have no violent impulses. You likely interact with people who have these types of diagnoses on a regular basis and do not know it. It seems like you are simplifying a complex issue. And this is not even getting the questions about resources to monitor (poor funding across the board for mental health), insurance, how to predict who might have a higher susceptibility for violence, etc.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 2:03 pm to emmanuellewis
quote:Nope, never said that. I said what I would likely chose if you asked me to make a choice.
ou did it earlier when you stated that it is better be dead than to go through sexual abuse
I never made that broad statement you are trying to say that I did. So please, stop saying I did. I understand there are far stronger individuals than me, such as chriX, that can handle and conquer ordeals such as this
Posted on 6/9/17 at 2:17 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:how do you account for games he pitched if he never should have been there in the first place? The damage is done to the institution in the court of public opinion. They put baseball victories ahead of the safety of their community.
I don't want the guy to go to jail or be killed, but being on that team is a privilege and just a few years ago he lost that privilege.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 3:26 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:
how do you account for games he pitched if he never should have been there in the first place? The damage is done to the institution in the court of public opinion. They put baseball victories ahead of the safety of their community.
Its not like he was ineligible.
You just say "new information has come to light and we've decided it is best for both parties to go in different directions."
That would help the university save face IMO.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 3:33 pm to TheCaterpillar
And just like that, OSU annoucnes Heimlich is not pitching today vs Vandy
Posted on 6/9/17 at 3:33 pm to bubbz
He's not pitching
Page 13 of 16
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News