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Identity Politics
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:27 am
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:27 am
This is somewhat of a spinoff of the radicalized democrats thread.. In the past 8+ years we as a country have been subjected to identity politics.
Historically we as a country have had differences but we are all Americans and when needed we could put those differences aside and find common ground in the best interests of the country.
I think we are at the tipping point where that is no longer the case. You now have people who self identify with smaller groups(Democrat, Republican, Antifa, etc.) and put more importance with the smaller group as opposed to something like being an American.
We are seeing Americans turn on other Americans because of self identity and unwillingness to compromise outside of those small groups.
Historically we as a country have had differences but we are all Americans and when needed we could put those differences aside and find common ground in the best interests of the country.
I think we are at the tipping point where that is no longer the case. You now have people who self identify with smaller groups(Democrat, Republican, Antifa, etc.) and put more importance with the smaller group as opposed to something like being an American.
We are seeing Americans turn on other Americans because of self identity and unwillingness to compromise outside of those small groups.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:30 am to Friscodog
quote:Identity politics was not invented by Barack Obama in 2008
In the past 8+ years we as a country have been subjected to identity politics.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:31 am to Friscodog
I am a "God, family, country American". However, it's not hard to see people that have no regard for God or family having any regard for country either.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:38 am to Iosh
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Identity politics was not invented by Barack Obama in 2008
Modern identity politics was invented by LBJ. Obama just perfected it.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:40 am to DownSouthJukin
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Modern identity politics was invented by LBJ. Obama just perfected it.
Spot on.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:41 am to Friscodog
historically speaking, in America, a group's political power has not led to economic improvement. In other words, there isn't much evidence in America to suggest that a lagging group must first attain some degree of political power in order to advance economically. In reality, quite the opposite is true. Jewish and Indian Americans are two examples of this. You could add Japanese Americans also.
Today, some lagging groups are actually over-represented at various levels of government, yet economic improvement continues to elude them.
i think identity politics had been practiced for a long time in this country. I don't know when it started, but it certainly didn't begin with Obama.
Today, some lagging groups are actually over-represented at various levels of government, yet economic improvement continues to elude them.
i think identity politics had been practiced for a long time in this country. I don't know when it started, but it certainly didn't begin with Obama.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:45 am to DownSouthJukin
quote:All politics is identity politics. Always has been, always will be.
Modern identity politics was invented by LBJ
LBJ just exploited identity for political gain more effectively than many of his predecessors. But he was hardly the first.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:49 am to FearlessFreep
I'm a hard core conservative and I hate the race baiting, but identity politics is kinda the base of modern politics, you identify what group you can count on, which group you can move, etc. Great example is the Reagan Democrat-white, blue collar, Catholic, usually rural voters from the North.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:02 am to Friscodog
the thing is identity politics is a fools errand in a country that's 70% white. the danger was always going to be the creation of a white voting bloc and the distribution of minorities in the united states isn't uniform ironically minorities are most concentrated in red states. take mississippi for example 37% of the state is black that's the highest percentage in the nation yet 90% of the white vote goes to republican's. a state turns red when 60% of the white vote accrues to the republican candidate and then that trend moves up and down ballot. romney lost because he under performed his national average among white voters (60%) in the mid west performing in the low 50's where as obama performed in the mid 40's. hillary clinton under performed obama among whites in the mid west by 7 points receiving only 38% of the white vote trump on the other hand performed to his national average among white voters right at 59%.
the notion that you can put together a coalition of fruits and nuts and win elections is sophistry.
the notion that you can put together a coalition of fruits and nuts and win elections is sophistry.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:04 am to FearlessFreep
quote:If Twitter had been around in 300 BC there would've been some scorching hot takes about Alexander's adoption of Persian customs
All politics is identity politics. Always has been, always will be.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:06 am to Friscodog
Ya know. Identity politics is a pain in the arse but it's almost tolerable if we're talking "identity" in terms of groups who share certain beliefs. IE, a politician who appeals to religious people, or one who appeals to non-religious people.
People can assess belief systems and determine how they value that belief system.
But this shite of identity politics by color, sex, etc etc. That's just shite because the game there is, no one is allowed to make assessments.(well, unless it's of white people".
People can assess belief systems and determine how they value that belief system.
But this shite of identity politics by color, sex, etc etc. That's just shite because the game there is, no one is allowed to make assessments.(well, unless it's of white people".
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:11 am to Iosh
There is a reason Ronald Reagan's first speech after the 1980 Republican National Convention was at the Neshoba County Fair in Philadelphia, Mississippi and was about states rights. Politicians pander to their demographic bases of support. This has gone on since the founding of the Republic.
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