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re: The Climate Melters Are Not Paying Attention
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:03 am to Jobu93
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:03 am to Jobu93
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Well since it was a non binding deal they shouldn't feel too bad that we aren't participating.
It's a lot of drama coming from both sides. One side is acting like the US is about to destroy the world, and the other is cheering like the US just withdrew from the worst deal ever, when in fact, this was really all just a show from Trump and really impacts nothing.
If Trump really wanted to negotiate, he could have stayed in and negotiated while at the table.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:06 am to Salmon
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It's a lot of drama coming from both sides. One side is acting like the US is about to destroy the world, and the other is cheering like the US just withdrew from the worst deal ever
This is closer to the truth.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:25 am to Salmon
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If Trump really wanted to negotiate, he could have stayed in and negotiated while at the table.
SMH. Negotiation 101: when dealing from a position of power against a weaker yet uncompromising adversary, break off discussions to send a message.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:27 am to Salmon
Salmon I have always considered you a reasonable poster, can you take a shot at this question, posted earlier in another thread.
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Can someone please explain how borrowing money from China to give to China somehow helps with climate change and does anything other than finance the globalist agenda on the backs of future generations of Americans?
If someone can give a reasonable response it would be appreciated.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 11:02 am to Salmon
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If Trump really wanted to negotiate, he could have stayed in and negotiated while at the table.
France and Germany released a statement yesterday saying that the deal could not be renegotiated. Maybe Trump was already told that last week at the G7? Also, some of the common sense request like determining baselines would blow the deal up. Remember, this deal wasn't a slam dunk let's make a deal party. It barely got across the finish line and only because Obama and the EU were willing to accept just about anything just to get a deal.
As a libertarian, I'm probably about as far to the left on environmental issues as you can get and still consider yourself a libertarian. I would love to see the world do more to protect the environment. I'm more concerned about what we are doing to the oceans via illegal dumping and plastics accumulation. There are near term real world environmental gains that could be made that would improve the quality of life for people now. Countries for whatever reasons are ignoring these issues. Instead of facing up to these real and pressing issues, the climate change movement is chasing a unicorn.
Most countries have no reliable means to even track GHG emissions. How do you reduce something you can't even track? Use the $100 billion annually? How many countries would actually even meet their financial obligations? Even if the funds are raised, how much is lost to corruption when handed out to these different countries?
The deal is bad and won't accomplish anything for the environment. The whole climate change movement is putting the cart before the horse. Most countries in the world can't protect the environment from the pollution that is generated daily but are going to save the world from GHG? To paraphrase Denis Leary, "Before worrying about saving the world from GHG, worry about saving your hair"
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