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re: Muslims students expecting U.S. public school to bow to their demands?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:02 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:02 am to DawgsLife
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I won't play semantics with you.
Also, it's intellectually weak to try to pawn this off on "semantics." Words matter.
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American students start petition, lose their case, then drop the issue
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Muslims students expecting U.S. public school to bow to their demands
See the difference? You can fall back to "semantics" if you like. I won't do the same.
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Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:06 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I won't play semantics with you.
Also, it's intellectually weak to try to pawn this off on "semantics." Words matter.
I addressed the OP. I did not quibble with whether the OP was correct or not. that would be your job if you disagree with his wording.
Words matter? Seriously?
I'm sure you can find a more effective throwaway, tirte line than that.
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American students start petition, lose their case, then drop the issue
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Muslims students expecting U.S. public school to bow to their demands
See the difference? You can fall back to "semantics" if you like. I won't do the same.
I see the difference. however if they were merely American students it would not be an issue. The whole issue came up because they are Muslim students. I would say, since their point was it interfered with Ramadam, that being Muslims was a central part of the issue.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:07 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure, which is why you've been making irrelevant points.
My points were relevant.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:09 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Your disagreements, misconceptions, or dislike of their points do not make their points invalid.
You are correct. Their points based upon restrictions of Ramadam make their points invalid. They could have attended prom as scheduled.
If a group of Christians said their church was having a revival on that night and they wanted the school to change the date of the prom, what do you think the reaction would be?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:10 am to DawgsLife
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My points were relevant.
Your point was that you don't consider their points to be valid.
I'm going to have to agree with displaced here, I don't see how that is relevant considering they obviously considered their points to be valid, otherwise they wouldn't have started the petition.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:11 am to Salmon
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You state that their reasons are not valid.
If their reasons are not valid, what other reasons would they start a petition?
They shouldn't have started it. If Christians had said their church was having a revival and they wanted the school to change the date of the prom, would be on here defending them?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:12 am to DawgsLife
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I addressed the OP.
Yep, which is completely wrong, as shown many times throughout the thread. As long as you continue to dig in on that, you'll remain exactly where you started.
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Words matter? Seriously?
Absolutely. Read through the thread at some of the bullshite posted based on nothing more than the thread title.
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I see the difference.
Cool, but then you say this:
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however if they were merely American students it would not be an issue. The whole issue came up because they are Muslim students. I would say, since their point was it interfered with Ramadam, that being Muslims was a central part of the issue.
It doesn't seem like you see the difference.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:13 am to Salmon
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I'm going to have to agree with displaced here, I don't see how that is relevant considering they obviously considered their points to be valid, otherwise they wouldn't have started the petition.
Everybody thinks their points are valid, or they wouldn't state them. Just because you THINK your points are valid does not make them valid. I have shown where they could eat the prom meal and they could listen to music on that date. By the way...in one section of the article (Or another one from a link posted) said that fasting was ending that night, making their points invalid. (I'll try to find the exact section that said it, if I can)
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:14 am to DawgsLife
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If Christians had said their church was having a revival and they wanted the school to change the date of the prom, would be on here defending them?
bad analogy
maybe change it to the school scheduling prom on Easter Sunday?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:14 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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however if they were merely American students it would not be an issue. The whole issue came up because they are Muslim students. I would say, since their point was it interfered with Ramadam, that being Muslims was a central part of the issue.
It doesn't seem like you see the difference.
Because they did not base their objection on being Americans. They based it on being Muslim. See the difference?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:15 am to DawgsLife
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Their points based upon restrictions of Ramadam make their points invalid.
No, they don't.
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If a group of Christians said their church was having a revival on that night and they wanted the school to change the date of the prom, what do you think the reaction would be?
Here? It certainly wouldn't be "Christian students expecting U.S. public school to bow to their demands."
I also feel confident saying there wouldn't be a near immediate attempt to correlate a high school prom with terrorism.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:16 am to Salmon
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bad analogy
Why? because you say so? They are both based on a religious occurrence/activity.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:17 am to DawgsLife
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Why? because you say so? They are both based on a religious occurrence/activity.
a religious holiday vs a single church's event?
not really an apples to apples comparison
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:17 am to Salmon
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Your point was that you don't consider their points to be valid.
I'm going to have to agree with displaced here, I don't see how that is relevant considering they obviously considered their points to be valid, otherwise they wouldn't have started the petition.
Here is the link:
Observant Muslims are scheduled to break their fast at 8:23 p.m. that night, well after the scheduled prom start time of 7 p.m.
So they could have eaten and listened to music that night.
Forgot the link
This post was edited on 5/30/17 at 10:18 am
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:18 am to DawgsLife
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Because they did not base their objection on being Americans.
Sure they did.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:19 am to Salmon
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a religious holiday vs a single church's event?
Easter, then. Satisfied? Does it matter?
They want it changed to accommodate their religion. And I just gave you a link showing they could have done both.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:20 am to HubbaBubba
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I'm seeing the Muslim students' side, but the bigger picture is the following:
rebooking the site,
rebooking the caterer,
rebooking the band or DJ,
rebooking all the rented tuxes or prom dresses,
rebooking limousines,
rebooking security.
Seems to me this all should have been addressed by the Muslim students a looooooong time ago. Parents and kids, of all religions, are constantly being inconvenienced by different school plans made by school administrators. They need to learn to speak up early before too much planning and preparation has gone into an event.
Yeah. They're out of luck this year, but June does seem extremely late for a Prom. Do it in the beginning of May. I can actually see a rational point of view here from them. It would be like scheduling Prom on Christmas or Easter for Christians.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:20 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure they did.
Last I checked Ramadam is not an American Holiday/observance.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:22 am to DawgsLife
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And I just gave you a link showing they could have done both.
maybe they disagree with your link?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:22 am to OMLandshark
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Yeah. They're out of luck this year, but June does seem extremely late for a Prom. Do it in the beginning of May.
I had not thought about that, but you are right. Shoot...most schools are out around here, already and we are still in May. (We have what is considered Year Round Schedule. I wonder when they get out? Since I did not attend my proms, I don't really remember when ours was held.
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