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re: Manchester Bomber Was Banned by Mosque and Reported to the Authorities at Least Five Times
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:50 pm to beerJeep
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:50 pm to beerJeep
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But the reason why I believe the events you brought up were justified has nothing to do with religion
And I share the same sentiment. It makes it even more palatable, however, when I read the Old Testament. My faith is intertwined with decisions I make in my life and how I rationalize things.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:53 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Again, the circumstances leading up to the 6 day war are justifiable.
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Israel weren't occupying that land, the UN would not be dealing with the terrorist problem as we know it today.
Justifiable Conquest and occupation. They won the land via Conquest. It is theirs.
As to the terrorist problem we have today, I believe the prevalence of social media and the free flow of information and thoughts globally is the real cause for the uptick. Not some justifiable Conquest 60 years ago.
The fact that a terrorist cell in but frick Egypt can reach, contact, and sway others thousands of miles away is much much more responsible than any war was.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:56 pm to beerJeep
I'm saying that I see it as justifiable. Israel is still violating international law and has been for 60 years. It's not like the west bank is recognized as part of Israel.
ETA: you do realize that UN backing of Israel is 100% the cause of terrorism by radical Islam right? The reason we didnt start seeing it in the west until the late 80's/early 90's has to do, in large part, with the Russian interference in Afghanistan. The Taliban was focused on things directly in front of them at the time.
ETA: you do realize that UN backing of Israel is 100% the cause of terrorism by radical Islam right? The reason we didnt start seeing it in the west until the late 80's/early 90's has to do, in large part, with the Russian interference in Afghanistan. The Taliban was focused on things directly in front of them at the time.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:01 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Proof that having CCTV everywhere and your entire population being under constant surveillance still can't protect against these kinds of attacks when incompetent people are in charge.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:01 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Israel is still violating international law and has been for 60 years. It's not like the west bank is recognized as part of Israel
frick international law. You win land via Conquest, you get to keep and occupy that land. They want that land bacK? Then declare that the occupation as a casus belli, and take it via force.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:03 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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you do realize that UN backing of Israel is 100% the cause of terrorism by radical Islam right?
That is quite a statement to make.
And an incorrect one at that. Is it A cause? Absolutely. Is it The only cause? Absolutely not.
And like I said earlier. The reason for the uptick In worldwide terrorism has much more to do with the internet, social media. And the free flow of information and discussion world wide.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:10 pm to beerJeep
But you can see how a Muslim living in the Gaza Strip could think negatively towards Israel and the West right?
Also, that's kind of what they are doing. They know, correctly, that they have no chance at beating Israel in a war because of the West. So their plan is to terrorize the west into abandoning Israel, then they will take Israel. The only other stance they have given is going back to the pre-1967 borders. Aside from those things happening, terrorism isn't stopping.
I can't stand terrorism, and I fully understand why Israel wouldn't want those borders; I don't think it's very sustainable either.
My only point in commenting was to point out that it's not like Israel and the west have done nothing. Their religion is not telling them to kill westerners. It is more of a political fight than most realize
Also, that's kind of what they are doing. They know, correctly, that they have no chance at beating Israel in a war because of the West. So their plan is to terrorize the west into abandoning Israel, then they will take Israel. The only other stance they have given is going back to the pre-1967 borders. Aside from those things happening, terrorism isn't stopping.
I can't stand terrorism, and I fully understand why Israel wouldn't want those borders; I don't think it's very sustainable either.
My only point in commenting was to point out that it's not like Israel and the west have done nothing. Their religion is not telling them to kill westerners. It is more of a political fight than most realize
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:12 pm to beerJeep
If I must, I will rephrase my question so as not to offend you. The main reason we are seeing the radical islamic terrorism that we have seen since the 90's is because we back Israel. Sure, social media helped spread the message, but that message has largely been about the west backing Israel.
Do you remember Osama's letter about 9/11? The entire thing was about Israel
Do you remember Osama's letter about 9/11? The entire thing was about Israel
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:17 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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But you can see how a Muslim living in the Gaza Strip could think negatively towards Israel and the West right?
But you can see how a native American living in America could think negatively towards America right?
Or any conquered people's toward their conquerors.
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Aside from those things happening, terrorism isn't stopping.
Terrorism isn't stopping because terrorism has Been waged since time immortal. And always will be.
The reason it is more prevalent, once again, is because of the internet, social media, and the spread of information worldwide.
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Their religion is not telling them to kill westerners. It is more of a political fight than most realize
Terrorism in its very root is not based on religion but on political aspects. You are correct. However, modern day terrorism is just as ingrained in religion as it is political.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:17 pm to logjamming
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:20 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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If I must, I will rephrase my question so as not to offend you
Nothing you say will ever offend me. You could tell me you're going to murder my mother and rape her corpse and I wouldn't be offended. They are words.
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The main reason we are seeing the radical islamic terrorism that we have seen since the 90's is because we back Israel.
We all need a scape goat. Israel is the Muslims scape goat since it's inception. If Israel was wiped off the face of the planet tomorrow, we would still have Islamic terrorism the day after.
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Do you remember Osama's letter about 9/11? The entire thing was about Israel
If it weren't Israel, it would have been something else.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:24 pm to beerJeep
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But you can see how a native American living in America could think negatively towards America right?
Or any conquered people's toward their conquerors
When did I say otherwise?
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Terrorism isn't stopping because terrorism has Been waged since time immortal. And always will be.
The reason it is more prevalent, once again, is because of the internet, social media, and the spread of information worldwide.
Dude, you know that I'm talking about the Islamic terrorism that we have been talking about. And sure, the internet has made it a big web, but without the occupation by Israel, we wouldn't be seeing this right now.
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errorism in its very root is not based on religion but on political aspects
Thank you, that's all I was trying to say from the very beginning. You can take anything and hook it to a religious belief in order to justify it, fanatics have indeed been doing this since time Immemorial; but that doesn't mean the religion itself promotes those activities
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:25 pm to beerJeep
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If it weren't Israel, it would have been something else.
I can dispute your conjecture. So I suppose we will just agree to disagree. I enjoyed the debate though
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:35 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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When did I say otherwise?
Never said you did. Lol
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Dude, you know that I'm talking about the Islamic terrorism that we have been talking about. And sure, the internet has made it a big web, but without the occupation by Israel, we wouldn't be seeing this right now.
And dude, you know that if it weren't Israel, it would be something else. The far east is a hot bed, for example. Even if Israel wasn't created after wwii, the hotbed that was the middle east would have drawn in some western power vying for control over the oil reserves.
Israel is just the catalyst they use. But if Israel was never created, we would still have the problems we have today.
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Thank you, that's all I was trying to say from the very beginning.
Well anyone who tries to say that terrorism, at its root, is based on religion and not political aspects are willfully ignorant. Terrorism at its very core is perpetuated to usher in political change in one way or another.
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but that doesn't mean the religion itself promotes those activities
The modern bastardization that is religious terrorism begs to differ. And this form is largely promoted and spread through the internet and social media.
Now, the upper echelon of leadership of these groups use the terrorism for political reasons, but they are carried out by lackies who see It as a religious cause. Not a political cause.
So really, in the modern day, terrorism is a bastardization of political and religious reasoning.
We're really just arguing semantics at this point though.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:39 pm to tlsu15
You dont really need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure it out
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:41 pm to beerJeep
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One of my best friends is Muslim and from Pakistan
I'm not racist, I have a black friend.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:41 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
At least some Muslims told him to frick off
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:44 pm to beerJeep
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Well anyone who tries to say that terrorism, at its root, is based on religion and not political aspects are willfully ignorant
I think you'd be surprised by the number of people who do think that.
Good talk Jeep, it's always good to end a dialogue without all the venom that can come with it.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:47 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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think you'd be surprised by the number of people who do think that.
Troof. Lot of ignorance and stupidity in the world.
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Good talk Jeep, it's always good to end a dialogue without all the venom that can come with it
I do my best to keep emotions out of my arguments. I try to use logic and reasoning over emotions and spite
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