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Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:43 pm to texag7
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The teachings of their "religion" promotes violence against non believers. That is an indisputable fact whether you like it or not
So what? Try to front load your points so we don't have to dance around all day.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:43 pm to MrCarton
And I will just go ahead and post the entirety of the poll
LINK
The methods begin on page 147. And by the way all questionnaires were conducted in person face to face in the subject's home.
Which in my opinion most likely underestimated the extremist responses given the fact that it's probably difficult to find the jihadists hiding in the caves when the US government can't
LINK
The methods begin on page 147. And by the way all questionnaires were conducted in person face to face in the subject's home.
Which in my opinion most likely underestimated the extremist responses given the fact that it's probably difficult to find the jihadists hiding in the caves when the US government can't
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:46 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Hahaha this is bordering on comical
Its been comical since your epic backtrack a few days ago
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So you just have the authority to boldly state 95% of Muslims are Friday Muslims? And that statement alone is justification with no other supporting evidence?
lemme go throw a poll together for you and get back to you...
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But an international poll by a well respected research center is "an incomplete data point" and you can't even tell me why.
Dude, nice try. You are still making this about the poll, ignoring the fact the I never challenged the poll's legitimacy. Are you gonna start backpedaling again, because this is starting to feel familiar...
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:46 pm to MrCarton
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So what?
People commit violence based on Islam alone.
It's cute to see you break your back though pretending all the violence is because of conflict and western intervention in the ME.
You should just move back over there.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:50 pm to MrCarton
I'll even play along with your idea that I don't understand "Sharia"
These are very straightforward questions asked to those who stated they believe Sharia W should be the universal law...
So please explain how those very direct questions can be misconstrued
These are very straightforward questions asked to those who stated they believe Sharia W should be the universal law...
So please explain how those very direct questions can be misconstrued
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:50 pm to LSURulzSEC
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Thus the very reason Religion needs to be eradicated from the planet..
FIFY
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:52 pm to texag7
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People commit violence based on Islam alone.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.
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It's cute to see you break your back though pretending all the violence is because of conflict and western intervention in the ME.
I never said that. What I've repeatedly said was that interventions in the region have greatly exacerbated the domestic and foreign threats to Americans. I've also asserted that domestic threats often have direct ties to extremists in the regions hotspots, a fact that most on the board have agreed with vehemently until just now...
Posted on 5/26/17 at 2:56 pm to PsychTiger
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an Islamic leader or Liberals
the key is the word "an"
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:20 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I'll even play along with your idea that I don't understand "Sharia"
You don't.
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These are very straightforward questions asked to those who stated they believe Sharia W should be the universal law...
I'll buy those numbers for the most part. On homosexuality, there are some surprising percentages in asia and the US. If you are trying to demonstrate an incompatibility between people from different regions and cultures, then I'd say you are off to a good start. If you are trying to demonstrate the level piety to Islam throughout the world, then I'd say you haven't produced much more than a few data points.
For example, you will probably find Christians in Iraq, egypt, and Jordan to be quite unaccepting of homosexuality, in percentages similar to that of their Muslim neighbors. Very similarly, female genital mutilation is practiced by both Copts in Egypt and Muslim Kurds. So if we were to survey only one group, with no other data to compare the results to, we might conclude that the ritual is a christian practice. Which would be incorrect, as it predates Christianity and it is practiced by people of several religions in several regions and two continents.
Stoning as a punishment for adultry predates Islam in all of those areas, though from what I understand it is encouraged in Islam as well. That's pretty sick and should be rejected. it is still relatively rare to see that happen considering it's suggested or even commanded in their holy book. Its5 not a common occurrence anywhere in the region to my knowledge. Interestingly, when it happened in Afghanistan in 2015, it made international headlines Taliban stone woman to death and Afghans from all over the world condemned it. Afghanistan is a very conservative country, but it wasn't like the country took that in stride, or unanimously supported the murder. In fact it caused outrage. Women are treated very poorly there, regardless of how many of them are stoned for adultry. Just clearing that up.
I find it interesting that you would post that poll as solid evidence of your argument in and of itself, when almost every one of those countries has laws again the very questions asked in the poll questions, and outrage ensues when these barbaric practices occur. You don't need to live there for years to realize that.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:42 pm to MrCarton
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If you are trying to demonstrate the level piety to Islam throughout the world, then I'd say you haven't produced much more than a few data points.
I'm not trying to do anything but dispute your statement that 95% of muslims are "Friday muslims"
I've given you plenty of opportunities to clarify that statement and maybe reword to say something like 95% of muslims you know are friday muslims.
but you are dug in.
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I find it interesting that you would post that poll as solid evidence of your argument in and of itself, when almost every one of those countries has laws again the very questions asked in the poll questions, and outrage ensues when these barbaric practices occur.
My argument is that you are wrong about 95% of muslims being friday muslims. I don't know what the laws in those countries have to do with anything
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:46 pm to Machine
Yeah, there hasn't been any killing or bad things outside of religion.
Take the 20th century, for instance, a time when the prevailing thought (and it continues today) is that religion is dying and should be expelled from the marketplace (and with great and influential thinkers like Russell and Freud for instance). That century included the Holocaust and two World Wars (among other things) that killed more than 100 million people. Mao killed around 60 million, Stalin around 40 million, and Hitler around 30 million. None of that in the name of religion. As a matter of fact, those three combined probably killed more than all religious wars and deaths combined.
Also, the Encyclopedia of Wars by authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod who documented the history of recorded warfare, their list of 1,763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare.
Now I do believe that some religious thought is dangerous, but that doesn't mean religion itself is the issue. Evils take place in all kinds of forms and places. Evils have happened and have happened under the guise of many worldviews. But you keep spouting that ridiculous narrative.
Take the 20th century, for instance, a time when the prevailing thought (and it continues today) is that religion is dying and should be expelled from the marketplace (and with great and influential thinkers like Russell and Freud for instance). That century included the Holocaust and two World Wars (among other things) that killed more than 100 million people. Mao killed around 60 million, Stalin around 40 million, and Hitler around 30 million. None of that in the name of religion. As a matter of fact, those three combined probably killed more than all religious wars and deaths combined.
Also, the Encyclopedia of Wars by authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod who documented the history of recorded warfare, their list of 1,763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare.
Now I do believe that some religious thought is dangerous, but that doesn't mean religion itself is the issue. Evils take place in all kinds of forms and places. Evils have happened and have happened under the guise of many worldviews. But you keep spouting that ridiculous narrative.
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:46 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Part of the problem I see with polling Muslims is that they are encouraged to lie to infidels to advance the cause of Islam. If they feel like a truthful answer will hurt the spread of Islam, they have no problem lying about it.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 3:58 pm to KCT
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And the Snowflake Chorus responded, "If only we could figure out why this wonderful man, representing this great religion, hates us so much."
Some us are asking, why are we trusting the stewards of Wahhabism, the House of Saud, with billions of dollars of military hardware? No country is more liable for Sunni terrorism than Saudi Arabia. It is without question the creator of the cancer and is primarily responsible for its spread around the world.
Room full of jackasses. Only Bannon knows what he is looking at.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 4:16 pm to FooManChoo
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Part of the problem I see with polling Muslims is that they are encouraged to lie to infidels to advance the cause of Islam. If they feel like a truthful answer will hurt the spread of Islam, they have no problem lying about it.
Are you saying the poll overestimates or underestimates how many want sharia?
That's an interesting thought but it's only speculation.
If we are going to speculate, I would ask how many ISIS Or Al queda members households they were invited into?
From the methods section:
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In all countries, surveys were administered through face-to-face interviews conducted at a respondent’s place of residence. All samples are based on area probability designs, which typically entailed proportional stratification by region and urbanity, selection of primary sampling units (PSUs) proportional to population size, and random selection of secondary and tertiary sampling units within PSUs. Interview teams were assigned to designated random routes at the block or street level and followed predetermined skip patterns when contacting households. Within households, adult respondents were randomly selected by enumerating all adults in the household using a Kish grid or selecting the adult with the most recent birthday
We don't know the backgrounds of the surveyors but if you argue that they may have seemed "western" then it would seem likely that those households that are on the extreme end of the spectrum would be less likely to cooperate with a survey.... Which Would be even more interesting
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