re: Australian Imam: Make No Mistake, Islamic Scripture Commands Beheadings, Massacre People

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I was addressing that point, and that point only, which is why I quoted it, anx responded directly to him

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Ok I read his point and yours.

But you stated that you are sick of hearing how the reformation of Islam is necessary when there are some many deaths at the hands of the west and russia

I just have 2 questions, so I can get a better idea of where you are coming from:

1. Is reformation not necessary?

2. How does the body count from the last century have anything to do with it?

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did 86% include "rarely" in the answer or was that how the question was framed? and of that 86%, how many include "rarely"?

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does it really matter?

The view is so extreme even the 8% who thought it was sometimes justified is not a small fringe number.

Again when you are talking about blowing yourself up this is many times more extreme than planting a bomb or shooting someone.
Or beheading someone, or throwing LBGTQ people off buildings.

These are people with a really really fricked up belief system. We are talking about the Motherlode of bad ideas here.

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Like dead born and Minneapolis?

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Is this supposed to be a gotcha or something?

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it matters in that what he stated wasn't wrong like you claimed

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Of course what he said was wrong. when 8% of any group has an ideology that extreme it unbelievable.

8% of 3.3 million US Muslims is 264k people

Again these were US Muslims who responded that way.

In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

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But you stated that you are sick of hearing how the reformation of Islam is necessary when there are some many deaths at the hands of the west and russia

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Yes. I am sick of it. Its a bogeyman that ignores the real threats to American freedom, which is the government.

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1. Is reformation not necessary? 

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Of Islam? IDGAF if they have a reformation. It's not going to reform extremists anyway. 95% of Muslims are Friday muslims anyway, pious to a veru low degree, picking and choosing their major Muslim issues.

I do care about western statism being reformed. It's far more dangerous and deadly than Islamic terrorism, in part because hardly anyone acknowledges it. Instead we sit around running our mouths about a threat that i
Has about 1:100,000 chance of occurring to a random person in the US. Islamic terrorism is covered far more than other types of violent attacks.

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Such fears are indeed misplaced. Your risk of being killed in a jihadist terror attack in the last 15 years amounted to roughly 1 in 2,640,000. Even if you stretch the period back to include 9/11, the risk would still just have been 1 in 110,000. Your lifetime risk of dying in a lightning strike is 1 in 161,000, and your chance of being killed in a motor vehicle crash is 1 in 114. Given that our government has already squandered more than $500 billion on homeland security, while encroaching on our liberties, it is vital that Americans keep the threat of terrorism in perspective. This new study is one small step in that direction

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Reason.com

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You said don't go where the "extremists" are

Well if you don't think there are any in either place you are not very bright

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Quoted for lulz

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In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

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and you continue to post stats that do not disprove the OP

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Arent all religious texts essentially historical in nature? Most of them involve stories or letters. My point is that direct and indirect points in scripture are used as a crutch or excuse to be shitty to other people no matter what the actual context was. Most people don't just pick up a religious text and then walk outside and re-enact what it says. It takes a desperate or ill person to do that.

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The texts must be studied to determine what we should get out of them, or in other words, what is an indicative (a statement) and what is an imperative (a command). History is indicative while direct commands for obedience and Christian living are imperatives. You won't find an imperative for Christians to slay unbelievers where they are or to cut their heads off for insulting Jesus. Instead, we are told to pray for our enemies, because conversion and repentance is done by the spirit of God, not by the sword of man.

Islam, on the other hand, has many war verses where there are imperatives for readers to act as Mohammad acted; to kill unbelievers; cut off their heads and their finger tips. Islam is a religion where people can "convert" by making a confession even if they don't agree with it or believe it. Islam is a religion where the physical kingdom is sacred and the spiritual kingdom is unimportant (practically speaking). The very opposite of Christianity.

So yes, while anyone can use anything they want to justify their actions, there is no legitimate way someone can use the Bible (especially the New Testament) to justify murder in the name of Jesus or God the Father, but there is an abundance of ways Muslims can kill in the name of Allah and Mohammad and do so rightly and justly in accordance to their scriptures.

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generally agree with what you said, but this point doesn't make sense to me. The west is filled with violent history, and to this day is waging war across the globe. Maybe we should be focusing on reforming ourselves and stay the frick out of the places where the extremists

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Maybe but these fricks are here now.