re: The Inconvenient Truth of the Democratic Party

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However I think it's a bit evil how they manipulate the poor.

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I started a thread on this very topic years ago when I was going through my conversion from DEM to IND.

I labeled them "Evil Geniuses".

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Saying "vote for us and we'll give you stuff" doesn't really sound like control to me.

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It's how I get my dog to rollover, show him a treat, give him the hand sign and that suckers rolling. No treat and he aint rolling. Reduce government entitlements and the Dims lose a huge portion of their voters.

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is that control and not simply a quid pro quo? Both Dems and poor people get what they want (votes, money)

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I'm certainly no liberal but I do agree with you here.

And, I don't see how anyone can argue that today's republican was yesterday's democrat. It's why the solid democrat south is now solid red. Isn't that why LBJ said the south was lost upon signing the Civil Rights Act?

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Nah, totally different, but each does off a certain level of control. Slavery is blatant control.

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I would suggest that whoever controls the purse strings has complete control...

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There are still some conservative democrats, you can see them in state or local elections, but they are the old timers and are dwindling

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Yeah, my ex wife's dad said he'd vote for a ****** (referring to Jesse Jackson) before a Republican.

Its changed over the years, I'd say the Democrats racist past can be forgotten though.

George Wallace, a Democrat, won 90% of the black vote in the 1982 Alabama gubernatorial. This a mere 19 years after his infamous "Segregation Forever" speech.

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Saying "vote for us and we'll give you stuff" doesn't really sound like control to me.

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If you give them just enough to not have to provide for themselves it can be.

I didn't get a job in highschool until my parents stopped giving me 20 bucks a week. It sucked at first but life became much better having 100 a week to play with. And I felt much less inclined to brown nose to get my handout.

Yes I know some people actually need assistance to survive, but there are many that don't and just accept it and are perfectly content because it's all they've ever known.

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aren't today's republican ideologies inline with the dem's ideologies from the civil war era?

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You wish

Nice lie. The bigger the better

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I certainly believe the architects behind leftist policy realize they are creating a dependent class and its by design

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You are right!

Just google Francis Fox Priven and Richard Cloward.
From Wiki:

Piven was married to her long-time collaborator Richard Cloward until his death in 2001.[2] Together with Cloward, she wrote an article in the May 1966 issue of The Nation titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty" advocating increased enrollment in social welfare programs in order to collapse that system and force reforms, leading to a guaranteed annual income.[8][9] This political strategy has been referred to as the "Cloward–Piven strategy".[10] During 2006/07 Piven served as the President of the American Sociological Association.[11]