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re: Another massive lie we've been fed about nutrition-Excess salt intake causes heart disease
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:51 pm to EA6B
Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:51 pm to EA6B
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The number of medical specialist that have not read a medical journal since they left residency would shock you, or as a doctor told me, "I don't care what the studies say, this is what I believe." after which I found a new doctor.
One of the biggest reasons why the US has a heroin problem is because doctors actually believed that opioid painkillers were not addictive because that is what some drug rep told them.
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Posted on 4/12/17 at 2:51 pm to Darth_Vader
So you think the science is settled?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:00 pm to heatom2
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You could salt your food as much as you want, it's processed food that gets you.
exactly. Table salt contributes very little sodium to a daily diet. It's the preservatives that are the biggest culprit. As stated above, cook your own food. Avoid boxed food and frozen dinners as well as fast food, and you'll be winning most of the battle.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:01 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:03 pm to LSU Patrick
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exactly. Table salt contributes very little sodium to a daily diet. It's the preservatives that are the biggest culprit. As stated above, cook your own food. Avoid boxed food and frozen dinners as well as fast food, and you'll be winning most of the battle.
Good points. One thing I've learned since I started watching my sodium intake is the surprising levels of sodium in some food that you'd never think of. Two that come to mind right away are frozen vegetables of just about any type and macaroni & cheese. Even things like loaf bread, pancakes, and ketchup are high in sodium. If you don't watch what you're doing, you can blow by that 2,500 mg mark without even knowing it.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:04 pm to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
Doctors very often are completely off base with their recommendations because they simply go by what the standard guidelines tell them. Usually guidelines are well supported but many times we discover that they were based on shitty science. But it's clear that you don't have any background in science so I'm not surprised that you don't understand that
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:05 pm to Darth_Vader
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I love this place. Where else can you go and find frickers who think they know more than World-class doctors.
Didn't you start a thread asking for advice on how to sue your doctors for not knowing you had heart failure?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:08 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Didn't you start a thread asking for advice on how to sue your doctors for not knowing you had heart failure?
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:09 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Didn't you start a thread asking for advice on how to sue your doctors for not knowing you had heart failure?
Different doctors. The doctors who missed my diagnosis were two general practice MD's and one ER doctor. The doctors I'm talking about in this thread is my cardiologist and surgeon.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:11 pm to Darth_Vader
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I love this place. Where else can you go and find frickers who think they know more than World-class doctors.
If a doctor is not current on literature that directly relates to my particular condition they should not be considered world class. Blind trust in your physician is a quick way to become another data point in the mortality tables.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:13 pm to Darth_Vader
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Different doctors. The doctors who missed my diagnosis were two general practice MD's and one ER doctor. The doctors I'm talking about in this thread is my cardiologist and surgeon.
So, it's only some doctors who can be wrong or otherwise misinformed. Got it.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:13 pm to Grim
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Doctors very often are completely off base with their recommendations because they simply go by what the standard guidelines tell them. Usually guidelines are well supported but many times we discover that they were based on shitty science. But it's clear that you don't have any background in science so I'm not surprised that you don't understand that
Not only do I understand it, I've lived through it. Basically what you're describing is why the general practice and ER doctors missed my heart failure. Because the "standard guidelines" said I was too young for heart failure. So they never even considered it despite the fact I was showing every classic symptom of someone in stage IV congestive heart failure.
So keep your smug, passive aggressive bullshite insults to yourself. And if you think you know more about science than my two current doctors, then you're more delusional that I thought.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:13 pm to Grim
everything in moderation
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:14 pm to Grim
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Doctors very often are completely off base with their recommendations because they simply go by what the standard guidelines tell them. Usually guidelines are well supported but many times we discover that they were based on shitty science. But it's clear that you don't have any background in science so I'm not surprised that you don't understand that
My bp and cholesterol numbers are all in that borderline high range. I eat right and exercise, which means this is likely caused by genetic factors.
We actually discussed my options and he talked about how current trends are changing and the updated standard recommends a calculation to look at my risk factor. Based on the risk factor he advised against me taking any medications.
I've had doctors in the past try to push me onto stuff based on old standards. It was nice to have a doctor that was not only keeping up with the literature but able to discuss it with me.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:16 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So, it's only some doctors who can be wrong or otherwise misinformed. Got it.
Some doctors know what they're doing, others don't have a clue.
Please tell me that's not news to you.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:16 pm to Darth_Vader
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So keep your smug, passive aggressive bullshite insults to yourself.
Your first post in this thread was a smug, passive aggressive response.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:17 pm to Darth_Vader
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Some doctors know what they're doing, others don't have a clue.
Please tell me that's not news to you.
No, no it's not. Your first post in this thread, however, seemed to imply otherwise.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:18 pm to Flame Salamander
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I have never heard that excess salt causes heart disease.
I have heard many, many times that excess salt can cause high blood pressure. It can. That is basic science. Ion transport/membrane science, etc.
High blood pressure is the leading cause of heart disease. And no, it's not "basic science" that salt causes chronic hypertension. If you read the data, you'll see that it affects individuals differently. It actually decreases blood pressure in just as many people that it increases.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 3:19 pm to Grim
Sodium only affects blood pressure for a percentage of people, but it can have a big effect for those people. My blood pressure sky rockets when I eat more than 2000-2500 mg of sodium in a sitting.
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