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re: How secure are the Pelicans in NO?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:12 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:12 pm to TigerinATL
i agree they are 2 superstar talents. However neither have been able to propel either of their teams like other superstars have which is worrisome. Bigs simply do not have the impact that wing defenders have right now in 2017.
And Cousins has major flaws that will hold this team back as long as he is here, if he doesn't change the way he plays.
no, winning trumps all. And both have done nothing but lost while in the NBA.
And Cousins has major flaws that will hold this team back as long as he is here, if he doesn't change the way he plays.
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Talent trumps all in the NBA. The odds of the Pels keeping AD long term are significantly better today than they were 2 months ago.
no, winning trumps all. And both have done nothing but lost while in the NBA.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:22 pm to Lester Earl
Doesn't matter if they lose games as long as they don't lose money. Too difficult to get a sports franchise and look at how much they've appreciated since Benson purchased.
Why would Gayle need to sell unless there is a big downturn in the NBA/NFL and the teams start losing big money?
Why would Gayle need to sell unless there is a big downturn in the NBA/NFL and the teams start losing big money?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:58 pm to NOFOX
gayle will never "need" to sell
there's more money there than she could ever hope to spend at her age
however the trust is a different story....if there's a 700MM profit to be made you'd best believe the pels could get sold. and they should sell if there's that kind of offer
there's more money there than she could ever hope to spend at her age
however the trust is a different story....if there's a 700MM profit to be made you'd best believe the pels could get sold. and they should sell if there's that kind of offer
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:58 pm to cgrand
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gayle will never "need" to sell
there's more money there than she could ever hope to spend at her age
however the trust is a different story....if there's a 700MM profit to be made you'd best believe the pels could get sold. and they should sell if there's that kind of offer
What trust? Any trust which holds the controlling interest would be directed by Gayle and could not alienate the team without her approval.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:24 pm to NOFOX
i assume he means when Gayle passes. She is what, 70.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:31 pm to Lester Earl
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And Cousins has major flaws that will hold this team back as long as he is here
Bull shite
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:37 pm to Colonel Flagg
if his shot selection, attitude and effort do not improve this team isnt going anywhere
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:09 pm to Colonel Flagg
explain to me why you think that is a false narrative
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:52 pm to Lester Earl
His effort and attitude has been good with the Pelicans. Additionally, the refs let him get beat up and did not call fouls fairly for him since coming to the Pelicans.
The shot selection really falls more on the coaching. He still is shooting a solid percentage regardless.
There really isn't any large warranted criticism for Cousins play as a Pelican. He was a great addition. So there is no reason to make it up like there is an issue.
The shot selection really falls more on the coaching. He still is shooting a solid percentage regardless.
There really isn't any large warranted criticism for Cousins play as a Pelican. He was a great addition. So there is no reason to make it up like there is an issue.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 4/12/17 at 8:49 am to Colonel Flagg
He's had his pouty moments and his body language is still bad. I specifically remember a game soon after the trade vs SA where it was tied with seconds left and there he was pouring and folding his arms like a baby: he had missed a shot or committed a TO or they called a foul on him, and just like that his head was out of the game.
Yea he's fine when he's shooting 44% from 3 over a few games: then he'll shoot 30% for a long stretch. Not sure that is coschinh for that is how he has always played. No wonder he's gotten like 5 coaches fired
Yea it was a no brainer addition. But the dude deserves any criticism until he proves he can change, which hasn't happened yet and he isn't getting younger. He's been a loser Gus whole career figuratively and literally
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The shot selection really falls more on the coaching. He still is shooting a solid percentage regardless.
Yea he's fine when he's shooting 44% from 3 over a few games: then he'll shoot 30% for a long stretch. Not sure that is coschinh for that is how he has always played. No wonder he's gotten like 5 coaches fired
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There really isn't any large warranted criticism for Cousins play as a Pelican. He was a great addition. So there is no reason to
Yea it was a no brainer addition. But the dude deserves any criticism until he proves he can change, which hasn't happened yet and he isn't getting younger. He's been a loser Gus whole career figuratively and literally
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:21 am to Lester Earl
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Not sure that is coschinh for that is how he has always played.
It is a concern. MM talked about it on one of the podcasts and said, and I'm not sure if he was quoting lip reading or general sentiment, but one of the times this happened Gentry yelled at Cousins to get his big arse in the post. He really should be racking up the points when AD isn't in the game by posting up backup bigs. You have enough shooting with Crawford/Moore/Cunningham that spacing and triple teams shouldn't be a problem for him either.
I don't think he has a problem with physicality of the post, I think he's just not in shape. I noticed the Fat Offensive Lineman body language seemed to show up less often in more recent games. Hopefully he can get in better shape over the summer and act like a guard when he has an advantage, not when he's tired and doesn't feel like running all the way to the post.
Before the season started I'd say there was a 5%-10% chance that you could land a Hayward or have Buddy greatly exceed expectations and increase the talent level enough to keep AD in town. The new CBA with it's DPE upped those odds of keeping AD to say 20%-30%. Now with Cousins in the mix I'd put the odds of AD being a Pel on his 3rd contract at above 50%.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:45 am to Lester Earl
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i assume he means when Gayle passes. She is what, 70.
This is just manufactured drama. Any trust set up for after Gayle will have Lauscha as Trustee. Lauscha is not moving the team. He has lived in metro NOLA his entire life. He grew up in marerro, went to Jesuit, got his MBA from Loyola, and has worked for the Bensons for 2 decades. He is the one who convinced them to buy the Hornets and arranged for the lease with no outs through 2024.
As long as the Pelicans are not losing significant money (and that is difficul to imagine in the near future), then they will remain in New Orleans.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 9:46 am
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:55 am to Number 31
Winning solves all of these concerns. If the Pels could get a credible consistent 3 pt threat, the worries would dissipate.
Oh yeah.....Gentry sucks and Dell Demps sucks....Monty had this team winning and playing good defense and then they fire him
Oh yeah.....Gentry sucks and Dell Demps sucks....Monty had this team winning and playing good defense and then they fire him
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:04 am to KiwiHead
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Monty had this team winning and playing good defense
The revisionist history on Monty is unbelievable. They were bottom of the league in defense under Monty. Was Monty better than he was given credit for? Yes, but he still had his flaws just like Gentry and needed a roster more tailored to him.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:39 am to TigerinATL
I mean it's more fun to sit out and shoot 3's then it is to play in the post. I don't think it has anything to do with the shape he is in. It's just his mindset. Unless you're Dirk there is no reason for a 7ft er to camp out there. 1-2 3pters a game, yea, fine. 5-6? No no no no.
Same with AD. That has been a failed experience as far as him on the perimeter. They have to find a better way for them to play off one another. Both are good passers, and as you mentioned, they need have others play off them. Rather then take long jumpers regularly
Same with AD. That has been a failed experience as far as him on the perimeter. They have to find a better way for them to play off one another. Both are good passers, and as you mentioned, they need have others play off them. Rather then take long jumpers regularly
Posted on 4/12/17 at 10:49 am to NOFOX
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As long as the Pelicans are not losing significant money (and that is difficul to imagine in the near future), then they will remain in New Orlean
If they keep losing the season ticket base will be non existent. Do you talk yo ticket holders? I know a bunch that are just about tired of waisting their money to see the Pels lose. That shite is not cheap. They may never lose money but there may be opportunity to make more of it.
As far as Lauscha, I'm sure he'd be an adviser. I don't know who is heir to Gayles possessions but I doubt he is the top decision maker she has in mind.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 11:05 am to NOFOX
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This is just manufactured drama. Any trust set up for after Gayle will have Lauscha as Trustee. Lauscha is not moving the team. He has lived in metro NOLA his entire life. He grew up in marerro, went to Jesuit, got his MBA from Loyola, and has worked for the Bensons for 2 decades. He is the one who convinced them to buy the Hornets and arranged for the lease with no outs through 2024.
i wont claim to know anything about what will happen with the specific instruments of ownership in gayle benson's will. what i do think is common sense though is that whoever the "owner" of the team is when she passes would be insane not to take a $1B deal if offered. lauscha is not the one who will enjoy that $700MM profit, and he wont have any say at all if the new owner(s) want to move
that will all be on the NBA
this is the reason that the trust set up by the jazz owners is so unique. the jazz cannot move from utah per the terms of the trust
Posted on 4/12/17 at 11:47 am to cgrand
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i wont claim to know anything about what will happen with the specific instruments of ownership in gayle benson's will. what i do think is common sense though is that whoever the "owner" of the team is when she passes would be insane not to take a $1B deal if offered. lauscha is not the one who will enjoy that $700MM profit, and he wont have any say at all if the new owner(s) want to move
that will all be on the NBA
this is the reason that the trust set up by the jazz owners is so unique. the jazz cannot move from utah per the terms of the trust
From what I understand of the situation, the Bensons will set up the estate to where the teams will be secure in New Orleans as part of their legacy. The "owner" of the team when Gayle passes will likely be a trust. No clue who the beneficiaries would be, but I would imagine Tom's non-3 R's family members. Lauscha will serve as proxy owner (as he basically does now) and will be on the board of trustees which will require a supermajority vote to sell the team. Not sure who else would be on the board of trustees, but there will be enough pro-NOLA votes to block a sale if the team isn't hedging money.
The trust set up by the Jazz is more about estate tax avoidance and making sure the team will be consistently funded. It does not state the Jazz cannot move from Utah as that would not be allowed by the NBA. The team can still be moved, but it would take a supermajority vote of the board members. The profits will remain with the team to provide continued operating capital in case of down times. It makes it more difficult for the team to be sold and easier for the team to stay in Utah, but it doesn't prevent a relocation
ETA - This is for the Pelicans. I don't think the NFL would allow a board of trustees as owner, so Lauscha may be the sole trustee. The intricacies of it all is beyond my knowledge, but I get the big picture stuff.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 11:52 am
Posted on 4/12/17 at 11:56 am to NOFOX
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It makes it more difficult for the team to be sold and easier for the team to stay in Utah
right...that makes sense
thanks for clarifying
clearly if any team is going to move, its going to be after a sale. if the pels never get sold i 100% agree that they will stay put
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