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Evangelicals and the GOP
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:01 am
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:01 am
How many Evangelicals make up the GOP as a whole.
Im going to be frank, if the GOP was not so strict on social issues, I would probably lean more Republican. I know other blacks and liberal whites who have similar stances.
Are the Evangelicals a fringe Group. Could a GOP candidate win without them at a state or national level.
Im not targeting anyone's? religion, but I believe in seperation of church and state. I don't believe in forcing religion on people?.
Which ironically (for Judaeo Christians following Abrahamic faiths) isn't what God wanted either.
Im going to be frank, if the GOP was not so strict on social issues, I would probably lean more Republican. I know other blacks and liberal whites who have similar stances.
Are the Evangelicals a fringe Group. Could a GOP candidate win without them at a state or national level.
Im not targeting anyone's? religion, but I believe in seperation of church and state. I don't believe in forcing religion on people?.
Which ironically (for Judaeo Christians following Abrahamic faiths) isn't what God wanted either.
This post was edited on 4/9/17 at 10:02 am
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Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:04 am to volod
They're the moral compass of the party -and the country. Take them out and you've got 2 democrat parties.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:04 am to volod
Nobody cares which way you lean. If you let social issues influence you so much you aren't smart enough to be a republican. Go kick it with toddy and tackle the important issues.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:09 am to volod
Which social issues are you talking about?
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:29 am to volod
So in other words, you would be diggin on evangelicals if only they were for indiscriminate killing of babies when you want to nut?
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:31 am to volod
26.3% of the population are Evangelicals.
Perhaps you'd like a post-Christian country.
You can hang out in the U.S. for a few more decades or move to Europe.
Perhaps you'd like a post-Christian country.
You can hang out in the U.S. for a few more decades or move to Europe.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:33 am to volod
most of them are going to be dying out over the next few decades. your younger republicans are by and large socially tolerant.
or white nationalists
or white nationalists
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:35 am to volod
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I don't believe in forcing religion on people?.
No religion secular humanism is just another religion by another name. It shouldn't be pushed either.
If you like "anything goes" don't bitch when everybody you meet is rude and a lot of people don't have ethical standards.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:37 am to volod
This is why I support the travel ban. I don't want to get blown the frick up at church with my family. At least let me eat some BBQ first
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:42 am to volod
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A meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity. The association was stronger for college students and the general population than for participants younger than college age; it was also stronger for religious beliefs than religious behavior. For college students and the general population, means of weighted and unweighted correlations between intelligence and the strength of religious beliefs ranged from -.20 to -.25 (mean r = -.24). Three possible interpretations were discussed. First, intelligent people are less likely to conform and, thus, are more likely to resist religious dogma. Second, intelligent people tend to adopt an analytic (as opposed to intuitive) thinking style, which has been shown to undermine religious beliefs. Third, several functions of religiosity, including compensatory control, self-regulation, self-enhancement, and secure attachment, are also conferred by intelligence. Intelligent people may therefore have less need for religious beliefs and practices.
LINK
Posted on 4/9/17 at 10:59 am to volod
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How many Evangelicals make up the GOP as a whole.
I'm not sure anybody could possibly know the answer to this. How many African Americans make up the Democratic Party? Probably the most accurate answer to both of these questions is...a bunch.
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Im going to be frank, if the GOP was not so strict on social issues, I would probably lean more Republican. I know other blacks and liberal whites who have similar stances.
Be specific. Which social issues are too strict for you?
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Are the Evangelicals a fringe Group. Could a GOP candidate win without them at a state or national level.
Not a fringe group any more than calling African Americans a fringe group. Or Gays. Or any other minority group.
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Im not targeting anyone's? religion, but I believe in seperation of church and state. I don't believe in forcing religion on people?.
Are you saying Evangelicals should not be allowed to vote? I mean, how is church and state NOT separated, right now?
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Which ironically (for Judaeo Christians following Abrahamic faiths) isn't what God wanted either.
Then you do not know the Bible. (I am guessing since you addressed this to Evangelicals that was this point?) The Bible clearly tells Christians to "Go ye therefore to all the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Those were the very last instructions Jesus gave to the disciples.
Further, I am confused about how Evangelicals are "forcing" religion on people....mind explaining?
Please, don't misunderstand...I have o problem with people disagreeing with me. I am just curious about how you have arrived at your conclusions.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 11:09 am to volod
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Im going to be frank, if the GOP was not so strict on social issues, I would probably lean more Republican. I know other blacks and liberal whites who have similar stances.
gee and just think without you we've won the house, senate, the white house, 33 governorship's and 32 state legislatures imagine what we could have done with you!
and when ginsburg kicks the bucket we'll set the direction for a generation.
i'm gonna be frank
Posted on 4/9/17 at 11:24 am to volod
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Im going to be frank, if the GOP was not so strict on social issues, I would probably lean more Republican. I know other blacks and liberal whites who have similar stances.
The Democrats are much more strict on social issues. They believe an individual should be barred by federal decree from buying a health plan that doesn't pay for contraception. They believe schools should be prohibited from keeping men out of women's locker rooms. They believe pharmacists should be denied the right to make a living if they don't stock Plan B on their shelves.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 11:36 am to volod
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Im going to be frank, if the GOP was not so strict on social issues
As another poster asked what issues are "so stict" in the party as a whole that you are referring to?
That Orvill Redenbackers ad is just wrong
This post was edited on 4/9/17 at 11:37 am
Posted on 4/9/17 at 12:14 pm to volod
You need your Come to Jesus moment.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 12:39 pm to volod
I have friends and family on both sides of the spectrum and from my experience democrats push their beliefs on people a lot harder than republicans.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 12:50 pm to volod
quote:The party that elected Donald Trump is too strict on social issues for you?
Im going to be frank, if the GOP was not so strict on social issues, I would probably lean more Republican.
By the way... if you don't like "strict social issues"... try saying your a christian, white, non-ghey, male in the democrat party. You'll find out in hurry, they are VERY strict on "social issues".
This post was edited on 4/9/17 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 4/9/17 at 1:36 pm to volod
I don't want to feed the firestorm, but the OP has a legit observation.
Go look back, especially at the 1980's, when the Evangelical movement really took hold in the GOP. There were a lot of people who espoused fiscal conservatism and believed in a strong miliatary (2 areas that are traditionally more Republican), that stayed Democrat due to the Moral Majority and Jerry Falwells (Jim Bakker, etc) of the world.
I'm consistently amazed by the way the parties cater so much to their extreme fringes. No Bible-thumping "you're going to hell if you ___" Evangelical is going to vote Dem any time soon, and no neo-socialist liberal is going to vote Republican. So why not occasionally just ease off on the extreme rhetoric- you don't have to go the other way, but just not make it a primary focus?
I've always been leery of politicians who fixate on "God" too much. If I want that, I go listen to a priest or preacher. I want my elected officials to address the needs of all, even dirty heathens
Of course, my personal beliefs also lead me to be modest and private about my faith, instead of being boastful about it. I understand this isn't always the intent when it's used in politics, but that's the way it comes across to me.
Go look back, especially at the 1980's, when the Evangelical movement really took hold in the GOP. There were a lot of people who espoused fiscal conservatism and believed in a strong miliatary (2 areas that are traditionally more Republican), that stayed Democrat due to the Moral Majority and Jerry Falwells (Jim Bakker, etc) of the world.
I'm consistently amazed by the way the parties cater so much to their extreme fringes. No Bible-thumping "you're going to hell if you ___" Evangelical is going to vote Dem any time soon, and no neo-socialist liberal is going to vote Republican. So why not occasionally just ease off on the extreme rhetoric- you don't have to go the other way, but just not make it a primary focus?
I've always been leery of politicians who fixate on "God" too much. If I want that, I go listen to a priest or preacher. I want my elected officials to address the needs of all, even dirty heathens
Of course, my personal beliefs also lead me to be modest and private about my faith, instead of being boastful about it. I understand this isn't always the intent when it's used in politics, but that's the way it comes across to me.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 2:04 pm to volod
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I would probably lean more Republican. I know other blacks and liberal whites who have similar stances.
Blacks are disgusted by gays. You are not black, imposter.
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