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Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:53 pm
Posted by Skeezer
Member since Apr 2017
2296 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:53 pm
Here is my wife's and my current breakdown

80% stocks
10% bonds
10% reit

All index funds. All held in 401ks and IRAS.
We are 36 and don't plan on retiring until 62-64

It's the reits that I'm wondering about. I know the book says to hold more bonds, but I am comfortable with big drops that may occur in equity markets in the next 25-30 years.

Am I holding to much reits?
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1577 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 7:38 pm to
There is no right answer. My allocation is:

20% large cap
20% small cap
20% international
15% reits
25% bonds

What's more important is your saving %, time in the market, and staying the course.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 7:45 pm to
quote:

What's more important is your saving %, time in the market, and staying the course.


Not trying to be a smartarse but this is a myth. Sure its easy for the money managers to tell you this when we're coming off the greatest 50 years stretch in history. You have to remember things like the internet + the growth of the american economy over the last 50 years allowed for growth you will not see again on a broad scale across indexes ever again.It's near impossible for anyone to break into business and compete with these large stalwarts, and in the meantime the stalwarts are slowly ending their growth stories. I promise you buying the Dow 30 will not return anywhere near the past 30 years over the next 30 years. These companies today are so mature and are actually seeing declining sales all across the board

Apple had declining Sales
Ford had declining Sales
GM had declining Sales
Exxon had declining revenue

I could go on and on, but the concept of just save, and plug it away into indexing and you will be ok in the future is just silly to me. We're at 2400 on the S&P which is record levels, and companies are mostly growing share prices via buybacks not growth, and we're looking at a rising rate environment coming up.

Of course there are pockets of growth, I feel Im invested in them, but overall indexing starting today and moving forward is probably going to be a pretty mediocre ROI over the coming decades from the looks of it.

I think people should do their homework and find quality companies that they feel can grow and invest in those, bc when you buy an index, sure you get safety, but you also get a giant pile of junk thrown in there and I dont know about you but I prefer to keep the junk out of my portfolio. It's like Wayne Gretzky said, you want to skate to where the puck is going.

These tech monsters today have the most solid balance sheets of any in american history, this isn't the tech bubble the media would have you believe. I'd personally rather have a portfolio of Google,Microsoft,Apple,IBM,Facebook,Amazon vs any sort of index available to me over the coming decade or 2. Do you really wanna be invested in some no growth areas like retail or oil? There are other companies if you want more risk, but the QQQ holds all those, if anything id buy the QQQ in way bigger size if you're scared of individual name risk.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Skeezer
Member since Apr 2017
2296 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:15 pm to
Would you say that a tech sector index fund would be more to your liking as a core holding?
Or use one as a compliment to a index fund heavy portfolio?
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:26 pm to
The thing is the QQQ is fine and safe, and I'd certainly own it any day well before SPY or some dow index but I hate that apple and microsoft are 20% of the weighting. I personally want more amazon,google,ibm(watson),microsoft,tesla and less apple moving forward.

I hate indexing and personally dont do it, but i had to own 1 index it would be PNQI but the problem is the fee is so high for it + you can literally build that on your own but I like it bc netflix,amazon,google,facebook make up 32% of it. I like all those names for the future, netflix im meh on it, but id rather it over apple. It also has big stakes in Eqinix and Baidu which are also tech plays that will pay big in the future.

Again you can build and diversify on your own but really do you see Amazon as risky? More than likely it extends its utter domination of retail into the stratosphere over the coming decade. Do you see Googl as risky? They have $100B almost in cash on their balance sheet, like $4B in debt, and a monopoly on search thats going nowhere

If you buy an index, you get junk like home depot, caterpillar,ford,gm, exxon, etc all these companies that grew substantially over the last 20-30 years but what are their prospects moving forward? To me they're meh at best.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51328 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 9:01 pm to
There is something to be say for diversifying risk. Not everyone is in the position you are to take risks. I also think to say indexing won't work is a bit short sighted. Index funds have been composed of "dinosaurs" since the dawn of the stock market and they have always performed well.

Also 99.5% of people aren't going to do the necessary homework needed to manage their portfolio on their own. That is the important key, if you aren't willing to put in the work, don't stray from index funds IMO. You'll end up in a far worse position.
Posted by FunroePete
The Big Cheezy
Member since Dec 2012
1531 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 10:19 pm to
quote:

Do you really wanna be invested in some no growth areas like retail or oil

To say growth isn't available for what I'm assuming you're referencing is oil majors, is ridiculous. LINK
Posted by white perch
the bright, happy side of hell
Member since Apr 2012
7571 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 10:29 pm to
20% total stock market
20% large cap growth
20% mid cap growth
20% small cap growth
20% international growth

all index all the time

30 year window
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 4/4/17 at 11:33 pm to
Oil majors will go nowhere north for years, what makes you think otherwise? Their eps will be awful for years

Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that you think a portfolio of chevron & exxon would outperform one of Google & Amazon over the coming decade?

Diversification is code for you're too lazy to spend a little time doing some research, in that case go ahead and get mediocre returns, it takes a little bit of work to outperform the averages, not much, but it takes a little work.
This post was edited on 4/4/17 at 11:57 pm
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:01 am to
Oil companies don't trade on EPS. They trade on reserves replacement and increasing reserves.
Posted by FunroePete
The Big Cheezy
Member since Dec 2012
1531 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 5:14 am to
[quote]dabigfella[quote]
I was beginning to post on your points but decided it was pointless.
Good luck with your majority tech portfolio.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
10835 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 6:09 am to
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white perch

Are these with Vanguard? How old are you?
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
878 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 6:40 am to
I think your allocations are similar to mine so I concur. I use index funds for 75% of my portfolio. If investment managers have trouble beating the market how will I do it with only a few hours a week to spare.
Posted by white perch
the bright, happy side of hell
Member since Apr 2012
7571 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:03 am to
Yes, 36
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:21 am to
You decided it was pointless? O I'd love to hear what you have to say, I've been posting here for years and it seems like every individual name I post rocks it while countless posts from people about how Exxon or chevron are #1 stock yet the shares have gone nowhere or even down over a multi year frame and we're close to cutting dividends on all of them. I get it most guys on this board work in o&g but you're pretty dense as an investor if you think the future is overall brighter than the past on oil or retail or home building which are major components of "indexing" meanwhile "tech" is leading us into the future in every way and we're still so early in the game on: cloud computing, autonomous cars, getting the entire world internet, and many more things that are actual paradigm shifts.
Posted by FunroePete
The Big Cheezy
Member since Dec 2012
1531 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:37 am to
Well you just proved my point.
You totally missed what I was saying. I refuted that there is growth available for the oil industry which I backed up.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
10835 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:48 am to
38 here. About to transfer everything to Vanguard. In another thread a poster posed the situation that in a dip, holdings in bonds could be transferred to stock as a buy opportunity. Any thoughts on this?
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:53 am to
quote:

Well you just proved my point. You totally missed what I was saying. I refuted that there is growth available for the oil industry which I backed up.
and you completely missed my point that "indexing" makes you buy a nice chunk of slowing or even negative growth industries like housing,oil,retail amongst others. I personally prefer to only invest in growth and the only sector we can look at today and say as a whole will have growth over the coming decade is tech. Sure you can pick individual names in all sectors that will do well, but that takes time and effort,and the posters above said they want a no effort approach and all I'm saying is if you want a no risk approach but still have outsized returns it's probably going to be indexing in tech related funds and not overall market funds
Posted by white perch
the bright, happy side of hell
Member since Apr 2012
7571 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 7:56 am to
I'm less involved in my retirement account. I make monthly contributions to my sep ira, automatic transfers.

I don't really worry about weekly or monthly fluctuations. I worry more about adequate reallocation of capital as retirement nears.

I have two small separate accounts for other investing, one with Schwab where I buy various ETFs and one with Robinhood where I buy individual stocks. These are small though and really just for personal education and entertainment.

I make my money in a completely unrelated field.
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:55 am to
quote:

all I'm saying is if you want a no risk approach but still have outsized returns it's probably going to be indexing in tech related funds
bullshite. There is no free lunch.
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