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Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:43 pm to KCT
They want him to fail. I'm watching cbs right now. It's just one anti trump story after another.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:44 pm to KCT
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Fair enough, but the elitists were mostly against Trump. It was, for lack of a better term, blue-collar America that put Trump over the top.
Blue collar America elected him. But his cabinet picks have been full of so called elitists.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:44 pm to KCT
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Anti-Trumpers
I want our country to be successful. I likely define that a bit differently than some of you. If Trump accomplishes some things I like, great. If he fricks up, I'll point and laugh.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:45 pm to tigersownall
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They want him to fail. I'm watching cbs right now. It's just one anti trump story after another.
I might agree, if not for the fact that he keeps doing stupid things.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:46 pm to GooseSix
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Liberals
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BE HONEST.
Does not compute..
I'd say I was very honest. But maybe it helps that I'm a politically incorrect liberal.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:46 pm to KCT
Nothing is more important to me than a prosperous USA. It helps everyone. This is a bad question because Trump failing doesn't prevent a prosperous USA. I don't want Trump to fail. He's taking care of it all on his own. I was hoping that his act during the primary and general election was just that, an act, and that once he got in the office he would act like someone who respects the office.
Have you been on this board for the past 8 years? Have you seen Fox News any over the past 8 years? The Obama hate from the right was just as vicious as anything we are seeing toward Trump. Most media outlets are more liberal, especially if you look at their editorial board, but if you are going to act like Trump is being attacked every time there is a news story that makes him look bad then you are going to start sounding like the boy who cried wolf. The press is supposed to question the Presidents actions. Did they do it enough to Obama? Maybe not but that doesn't mean they shouldn't question Trump.
If Trump does something that helps the economy then i'll be happy to give him credit. I think there are many things he could do to help the economy. He's done alot so far helping bring some jobs back to the US. Do more of that.
He's new to politics and is making some rookie mistakes because of it. Will he learn from his mistakes? That's where I'm worried. I dont think he's wired to ever think he makes mistakes and I'm not sure he has someone close to him that he trusts to tell him when he's acting like a clown. I would hope that someone in his inner circle would have told him by now to double check his "facts" before shitposting on Twitter. And he's yet to have press conference, interview, or live, unscripted, appearance where he didn't come across as a dunce. It's embarrassing
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I'm asking this because the Trump hate surpasses anything we've ever seen in American politics. Obama was polarizing, but unlike Trump 1) he had the media in his corner, and 2) half the country wasn't calling for his impeachment before he was even sworn in.
Have you been on this board for the past 8 years? Have you seen Fox News any over the past 8 years? The Obama hate from the right was just as vicious as anything we are seeing toward Trump. Most media outlets are more liberal, especially if you look at their editorial board, but if you are going to act like Trump is being attacked every time there is a news story that makes him look bad then you are going to start sounding like the boy who cried wolf. The press is supposed to question the Presidents actions. Did they do it enough to Obama? Maybe not but that doesn't mean they shouldn't question Trump.
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So, which is It? Would you grudgingly give Trump his due if America started thriving under his leadership, or do you want to see Trump crash & burn no matter the effect on the country?
If Trump does something that helps the economy then i'll be happy to give him credit. I think there are many things he could do to help the economy. He's done alot so far helping bring some jobs back to the US. Do more of that.
He's new to politics and is making some rookie mistakes because of it. Will he learn from his mistakes? That's where I'm worried. I dont think he's wired to ever think he makes mistakes and I'm not sure he has someone close to him that he trusts to tell him when he's acting like a clown. I would hope that someone in his inner circle would have told him by now to double check his "facts" before shitposting on Twitter. And he's yet to have press conference, interview, or live, unscripted, appearance where he didn't come across as a dunce. It's embarrassing
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:48 pm to TheHumanTornado
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I'll be honest.
What do you define as prosperous? Is it defined by money and military might?
How would I generally define prosperous? Looking on a macro-level (obviously), I define it mostly along the line of economy & jobs. As it relates to jobs, I'm not talking about a disproportionate number of "McJobs" at $10-12 bucks per hour, either. I want to see a different mix of jobs than we saw under Obama. More construction, manufacturing, energy type jobs as opposed to the mostly low-paying service sector jobs.
For me, that's the bigger part of the measuring stick. Because let's face it, we aren't going to agree on a lot of issues. For example, I want to see a conservative Supreme Court. I want to see the political correctness agenda die a horrible death. I want to see colleges & universities go back to emphasizing education, as opposed to using those institutions as a playground for both social engineering & social unrest. But, that's just me.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 5:49 pm to ShortyRob
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and it isn't even close
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:01 pm to CCTider
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Blue collar America elected him. But his cabinet picks have been full of so called elitists.
To be fair, how many ordinary Americans of modest means get selected to serve in cabinet positions?
I hear what you're saying, and I appreciate your input. From an economic standpoint, Trump is obviously as far away from the average American as it gets. But, I think I see some signs from Trump that he can connect with "regular people." For one thing, Trump doesn't talk or act like an elitist. For another thing, it isn't impossible for a rich man to connect with middle-class or even poor people. Robert F. Kennedy was rich from birth, but he truly cared about regular Americans.
I think Trump, for a super-rich guy, seems to be very comfortable around the type of people who elected him. His Cabinet isn't filled with everyday Americans, but when is the last time one was?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:03 pm to Spaulding Smails
So you admit trump failing is more important?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:05 pm to Salmon
A very honest response. I agree
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:05 pm to iPadThai
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Obama was more racially divisive than Trump?
Where is Trump's equivalent of Al Sharpton?
Where is Trump's equivalent of cops being assassinated?
Where is Trump's equivalent of race-baiting everything from the Cambridge Police to Trsyvon Martin to Michael Brown to Baltimore?
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:24 pm to KCT
I don't have to pick because Trump failing will mean a more prosperous USA
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I don't have to pick
And yet, you just did.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:27 pm to KCT
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BE HONEST.
Same as you when Obama was president. ;-)
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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don't have to pick because Trump failing will mean a more prosperous USA
Yeah that makes sense
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:35 pm to KCT
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I'm asking this because the Trump hate surpasses anything we've ever seen in American politics.
It doesnt.
Honestly I hope he does yuge and wonderful things. He just hasn't proposed much of that so far.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:37 pm to KCT
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I would've gladly given Obama credit if he had been interested in improving race relations.
Thats about as believable as your "im never going to talk about race on this board again" thread.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 6:39 pm to asurob1
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Same as you when Obama was president. ;-)
I was Obama's harshest critic on this board. I've said that many times.
But, here's the rub. It WAS my HONEST opinion. Obama had the chance to pleasantly surprise me, but he never did. I would've gladly given Obama credit for improving race relations, for example, but he purposely went in the other direction. From choosing Al Sharpton as his chief advisor on race relations, to purposely race-baiting every situation from the Cambridge Police to Trsyvon Martin to Michael Brown to Baltimore, the community agitator showed his true stripes every single time.
That man EARNED every critical thing I ever said about him, and I was totally vindicated in my assessment of him.
With regards to this thread, it's a hypothetical. We're only 2 months into Trump's presidency. So the relevant question is (For anti-Trumpers), do you want Trump to fail no matter what, or do you hope against hope that he succeeds?
It's a fair question.
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