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re: A vote against AHCA is a vote for Obamacare.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:43 am to AUbused
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:43 am to AUbused
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You should be ashamed of yourself for buying into such an obvious bull shite political maneuver.
bullshite political maneuver? It's called REALITY. Here in the real world, we get to keep Obamacare if the TruCons care more about political theory than making real policy.
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:45 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Here in the real world
Here in the real world you are arguing for a "repeal" in name only. It literally might be WORSE than Obamacare. So which is better, repealing ACA and getting something worse or leaving the ACA and not getting a "win". Hell, you could argue the ACA is going to implode anyway.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:46 am to 50_Tiger
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If any true conservative thinks TrumpCare represents what we voted him in to do then they should probably rethink what it means to be a conservative.
Oh please. You would have gladly had Ted Cruz win the primary and get schlonged by Hillary in the general.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:48 am to AUbused
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Here in the real world you are arguing for a "repeal" in name only. It literally might be WORSE than Obamacare. So which is better, repealing ACA and getting something worse or leaving the ACA and not getting a "win". Hell, you could argue the ACA is going to implode anyway.
If ACA does implode - when ACA implodes - it will be on the TruCons if AHCA doesn't pass. This is a political reality. You will own Obamacare.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:50 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Wrong
I'm with Rand Paul and Ted Cruz against this garbage Ryancare bill
#voteno
I'm with Rand Paul and Ted Cruz against this garbage Ryancare bill
#voteno
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:50 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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if AHCA fails, you now own Obamacare.
No it doesn't, you simpleton. It means if RINOcare fails, then an actual conservative option will be presented.
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The health policy for guys who love fiscal conservatism so much they became de facto allies to the Democrats.
You are beyond delusional, and need to take your meds.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:51 am to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:It is indeed.
This is reality, folks.
GOPers better get their damn act together.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:52 am to mahdragonz
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Republicans had 8 years to create something other than the piece of garbage they put forward.
Oh stop pretending, mahdragonz. You are 100% behind Obamacare, and you would be pissing yourself if the conservative approach (Rand Paul) was presented. You are just giddy that there are conservatives who disagree with Trump. Which i guess is a win for you?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:52 am to BugAC
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if RINOcare fails, then an actual conservative option will be presented.
Fantasy land clown show. You own Obamacare. It's yours now.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:52 am to cokebottleag
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They will not be a second go at this with a more conservative Bill. There will not be a second go with this at all.
Why not?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:56 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Fantasy land clown show. You own Obamacare. It's yours now.
You realize you are coming off sounding like an emotional nutjob, right?
"He won't support my bad decisions, therefore, he supports the liberals bad decisions"...
The liberals own Obamacare. The RINO's own RINOcare. The failure to pass any sort of repeal replace is on the REPUBLICANS in general. Let's not confuse things and try and equate apples to potatoes.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:57 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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A vote for AHCA is a vote for single-payer in four years.
FTFY
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:58 am to LSUTigersVCURams
You are dumb
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:59 am to mahdragonz
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Republicans had 8 years to create something other than the piece of garbage they put forward.
Hard for a bunch of retarded career politicians to do this. And they're too stupid to get help.
You need doctors, insurance brokers, insurance agents, and actual vendors to come together and help. Not just a bunch of over privileged DC Elite numbnuts.
This is why governments is supposed to be of, for, and by the people. Not a career path.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:59 am to autodd03
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Not sure the point you are trying to make. I'd rather see obamacare bankrupt the nation than see the GOP pass some faux fix that doesn't address the lion's share of the issue and still leads to financial ruin.
Actually focus on really fixing something vs. trying to score a few political points? Interesting....
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:00 am to BugAC
Because the political capital will not be there. The fact of the matter is that there are many senators and congressmen in the GOP who will not accept a very conservative bill. Rand is torpedoing this bill in an effort to grandstand for his own political future. Yes, the bill does not give everyone a conservative warm and fuzzy. But it is an improvement over what we have now.
I don't know why I'm bothering to try and explain this logic to the board. Considering this place is chock full of idiots Who love to make the great the enemy of the good.
I don't know why I'm bothering to try and explain this logic to the board. Considering this place is chock full of idiots Who love to make the great the enemy of the good.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:01 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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LSUTigersVCURams
Here's what your small mind doesn't comprehend. People didn't vote in Trump to just repeal and replace Obamacare, and thats it. As if there is no other thought other than "repeal/replace, we don't care about anything else after that". They voted to repeal/replace with a common sense plan that is CHEAPER and AFFORDABLE. This abortion "RINOcare" is Obamacare lite. So in 4 years, the DEMS will beat Trump over the head with that, and that is the only way the left regains power.
If you put forth the Paul plan, you have to FORCE the Collins of the world, and the center left Dems to vote against it, and beat them over the head with that come time for their re-election.
But yeah, let's push forth a bill that's only end result would be a party on it's last leg, actually surviving and regaining seats...
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:04 am to cokebottleag
quote:How?
But it is an improvement over what we have now.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:06 am to cokebottleag
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Because the political capital will not be there.
Explain this. The state elections have been going more conservative than RINO lately. There are more Dem seats up than Repub seats in 2018, and the plan is there. ARe you saying it would take more than 2 years to get the conservative plan passed? If so, then why is RINOcare getting pushed through so quickly?
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The fact of the matter is that there are many senators and congressmen in the GOP who will not accept a very conservative bill.
Who are these people? Give me the list. For example, as shitty as McCain is, he would still support a conservative GOP plan, because it is a GOP plan. The GOPe want to be led, they don't want to lead. They prefer taking the backseat and letting others drive, that way they can say "well it wasn't my plan". They did it for 8 years under Obama. Time to lead, not act like Democrats.
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. Considering this place is chock full of idiots Who love to make the great the enemy of the good.
You are such a little girl. Grow up, junior.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:11 am to cokebottleag
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Rand is torpedoing this bill in an effort to grandstand for his own political future.
Rand's conservative principles have been known well before the replacement to Obamacare came about, so enough with the finger pointing.
And you say it's "grandstanding". Why didn't the RINOcare proponents in government not just vote on the previously voted on and passed repeal replace act that was put forth under the Obama tenure?
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