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re: A vote against AHCA is a vote for Obamacare.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:54 am to BugAC
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:54 am to BugAC
From your link dummy
And that, incidentally, is why the AHCA is limited as well.
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As per the Congressional Budget Act of 1974, reconciliation cannot be subject to afilibuster. But reconciliation is limited to budget changes, which is why the procedure was not used to pass ACA in the first place; the bill had inherently non-budgetary regulations.[181][182]
And that, incidentally, is why the AHCA is limited as well.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 10:55 am
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:59 am to BugAC
Uh no. Your boy Reagan ruined healthcare by privatizing hospitals and deinstitutionalizing America. Do your homework son.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:09 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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LSUTigersVCURams
You do realize the current bill known as Obamacare is
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The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act, cleared the House on March 21; the Senate passed it by reconciliation on March 25, and Obama signed it on March 30.
Not the original one that came from the house, right?
You do realize that Obamacare also started out as a veterans housing bill before it became the abortion it is now, right?
In short, the bill was bastardized and changed many times. It passed the Senate, but when Brown was sworn in, it could not pass filibuster, ergo, they created the reconciliation bill. WHy is this hard for you to understand?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:10 am to Cromulent
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Uh no. Your boy Reagan ruined healthcare by privatizing hospitals and deinstitutionalizing America. Do your homework son.
Yeah, because removing government control is what got us in trouble, not instituting government control...
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:14 am to BugAC
Ok. Let's try it this way.
Would Rand's healthcare bill have non-budgetary elements, yes or no?
Would it be able to pass under ordinary procedure, yes or no?
Would he have 60 votes, yes or no?
Would a full repeal have to pass under ordinary procedure, yes or no?
Answer these three questions, realize that you are wrong, and then go frick yourself.
Would Rand's healthcare bill have non-budgetary elements, yes or no?
Would it be able to pass under ordinary procedure, yes or no?
Would he have 60 votes, yes or no?
Would a full repeal have to pass under ordinary procedure, yes or no?
Answer these three questions, realize that you are wrong, and then go frick yourself.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 11:18 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:20 am to i am dan
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True, they would be making the same mistakes democrats made that cost them political strength.
Yep.
"Let's pass a horrible bill just to say we passed something."
Bold strategy, Cotton.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:22 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Would Rand's healthcare bill have non-budgetary elements, yes or no?
Did Obamacare have non-budgetary items? I think as long as you call it a "tax" you can word it however you want it. Precedent was already set by the SC.
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Would it be able to pass under ordinary procedure, yes or no?
House = Yes, Senate = Maybe. Force them to vote on it. Those senators that vote against, target them come 2018. 2019, pass the correct plan.
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Would he have 60 votes, yes or no?
See above
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Would a full repeal have to pass under ordinary procedure, yes or no?
See above
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Answer these three question
4 questions, learn to count.
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realize that you are wrong,
Nah
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and then go frick yourself.
Silly little girl...
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:25 am to BugAC
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Did Obamacare have non-budgetary items?
Yes. That is literally the entire point.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:29 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Yes. That is literally the entire point.
That a conservative idea could be pushed through via reconciliation? I agree, at least parts of it. There are some pieces though, that can not from my understanding.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:07 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Actually, this is a very difficult industry to regulate to the point of being able to predict the outcome. Whatever the Republicans do, they should also be open to continuously adjusting the system to close loop holes and achieve balance.
They don't have to repeal the existing law to do that. They can make the kind of adjustments which will make it viable, such as opening up marketing across state lines, restructuring prescription drug issues, etc.
Trump is flat wrong to require a reckless vote as a loyalty test.
They don't have to repeal the existing law to do that. They can make the kind of adjustments which will make it viable, such as opening up marketing across state lines, restructuring prescription drug issues, etc.
Trump is flat wrong to require a reckless vote as a loyalty test.
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