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Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:28 am
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:28 am
Where can one find the stats on our catchers in regards to times they have thrown out a base runner stealing vs. not?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:34 am to
Thrown out 12 out of 21 steal attempts.

LINK
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:49 am to
Thanks.

So Pap has thrown out 11 of 18 and Coomes has thrown out 1 of 3.

We need some more data points on Coomes and/or Romero.
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:55 am to
Here are some relevant catcher data points on Pap, though not related to stolen bases:


Capielano, S advanced to third on a wild pitch.
Dean. D. doubled to right center, RBI (3-2); Capielano, S scored.
Dean. D. advanced to third on a wild pitch.
Dean. D. scored on a wild pitch.


Those are not cherry picked, those are copied and pasted from the game log.
Posted by Broham
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:58 am to
Pap needs to be welcomed to the bench.
Posted by southernelite
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:06 am to
I didn't see the game, but they were all scored as WP as opposed to Passed Balls, so it looks like those are on the pitcher.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:13 am to
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relevant catcher data points
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a wild pitch.
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on a wild pitch.
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a wild pitch.
So do we consider passed balls to be "relevant pitcher data points"?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:13 am to
Any ball in the dirt that gets away goes on the pitcher, even pitches that are called there...
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:17 am to
I think we can look at each pitch individually because I think we all understand that a wild pitch isn't always just on the pitcher. Some balls in the dirt are more "blockable" than others with some pitches even meant to be in the dirt. We can't know what was called, but we can see that some pitches could/should be handled better.

More specifically about Projects post, 2 of those 3 should have been blocked IMO. Calling them "catcher" data points was incorrect but not totally misleading.
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
Geismar
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:24 am to
Who's got the video?
Would like another look to see if these were truly WP's or PB's.
Posted by 81Tiger
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:26 am to
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some pitches even meant to be in the dirt.


Guys who can't find the strike zone should never be called on to intentionally throw one in the dirt.


Aaron Nola - yes

Hunter Kiel - never


If they were called, shame on Dunn.

Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:27 am to
Yeah, I'm in the middle of logging leverage index stuff, so I have the box score and game log up in front of me, so I just copied and pasted.

But regardless of how they were scored, if you saw the sequence, Pap looked lost. While it's not apparent from what I posted previously, I'm certainly not putting all the blame on him. That should be shared between Pap, Kiel, and Dunn. But I think Pap's offensive woes are creeping into his defensive performance.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:29 am to
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I didn't see the game, but they were all scored as WP as opposed to Passed Balls, so it looks like those are on the pitcher.



Because they were in the dirt. They weren't grossly bad pitches imo. Definitely pitches you would expect an LSU catcher to block.
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
Geismar
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:36 am to
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Because they were in the dirt. They weren't grossly bad pitches imo. Definitely pitches you would expect an LSU catcher to block.


Especially for a guy that is hitting right at the Mendoza line and is in for defense.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133468 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:49 am to
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Especially for a guy that is hitting right at the Mendoza line and is in for defense.
I'm much more concerned about Kramer Robertson's defense now.

He was charged with two errors last night and would have had three more if Slaughter had not saved him with scoops and tagging a runner after being pulled off the bag by one of KR's throws.

I hope KR is not hiding an injury to his arm or shoulder.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87177 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:53 am to
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Guys who can't find the strike zone should never be called on to intentionally throw one in the dirt.


Aaron Nola - yes

Hunter Kiel - never
Throwing a curve in the dirt is pretty standard. A good curve that starts out as a strike is going to bounce maybe half the time.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87177 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:54 am to
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I'm much more concerned about Kramer Robertson's defense now.
I brushed it off the first time you brought it up, but I agree now. It's a concern.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133468 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:58 am to
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Throwing a curve in the dirt is pretty standard.
All 3 of Kiel's wild pitches last night were fast balls hitting the dirt a foot or so in front of the plate. One of them hit almost 2 feet in front of and a foot outside the plate.
Posted by cartig
Member since Feb 2010
3494 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:59 am to
Agree
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133468 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 10:03 am to
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I brushed it off the first time you brought it up, but I agree now. It's a concern.
I hold my breath every time a ground ball is hit towards Kramer. It seems his errors are always on his throws, not on his fielding the ball. Either he's nursing a sore arm/shoulder or his confidence is shot and it's a mental thing, or a little of both.

Like TV play-by-play announcer Skip Carey used to say about the Braves' Bob Horner when a ball was hit towards Horner at third base, "Here comes another adventure....."
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