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re: I'm sick of people saying the middle class is worse off than 4 decades ago.

Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:42 am to
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40319 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:42 am to
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So, you are attempting to assert that in 1970, people were more capable of buying a home, but just didn't?


Nope, all im saying is that there are less people capable in 2017 of buying a home period. Not comparing time scales there.

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So, in other words, the median of a 1970 home was $150,495 in today's dollars.


150k < 350k

I know a lot of folks who could swing 150k right now.

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Well, as above points out, you left out a key metric. I would think an engineer would be aware of that needed metric.

We also know that 1970 home for $150K in TODAY's dollars had a LOT fewer features than the median home has today. BUT, you can absolutely STILL buy a home today with the same level of features. Do I have to explain the implications of that to you?


I'll ignore the personal attack.

Where can you buy an 150k home thats not in the hood or "warzone." I mean we can deep dive into the social economical things if you want. People genuinely don't want to live in the ghetto and well prices in City centers are higher than 150k easily as well as suburbs. It's easy to argue absolutes, but this is a factor into people's buying decisions.

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Again, you really gotta work on that time value of money thing. Just sayin.


Changing prices into Today's dollars just proves my point....it costs less than the MSRP of a vehicle today period. People have finite resource (money). You can only buy so many things. When those things become exuberant in cost. You can't have said things. When those things are required in most cases to have a job, aka a car/phone/net. This becomes a problem.

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Do you even know why the household income measure is wrong? Are you even going to maybe ask?


Do you truly believe the Average American makes 19.30/hr?

Fine. The list Michigan posted about today's things in dollars is debatable.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:46 am to
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I'll ignore the personal attack. Where can you buy an 150k home thats not in the hood or "warzone." I mean we can deep dive into the social economical things if you want. People genuinely don't want to live in the ghetto and well prices in City centers are higher than 150k easily as well as suburbs. It's easy to argue absolutes, but this is a factor into people's buying decisions.

Dude, you can't complain about personal attack when you tried to pass off 23K vs 350K

And, neat trick how you again ignored that the 350K house bears little resemblance to the 23K house you speak of.

As for where you can buy that 150K house, you might want to ask yourself why such a house doesn't exist and yet home ownership rates TODAY are a crack higher than they were in 1970.

Pull away from your argument and just examine that for a second. Please.

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Changing prices into Today's dollars just proves my point....it costs less than the MSRP of a vehicle today period. People have finite resource (money). You can only buy so many things.
Yep. And, apparently, in 1970, they had less left over to buy cars and homes. Unless you have some other cool explanation.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:46 am to
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Do you truly believe the Average American makes 19.30/hr?

Do you truly now know what the term HOUSEHOLD income means?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
28012 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 10:33 am to
We also have more bills today than we did in 1970

We pay more for phones
We pay for TV
We have the internet
We have a greater unsecured debt load today...credit card bills....I think to the tune of about 6K for every living person in this country....that's money that after a while gives you no benefit when considering the depreciation of most durable goods purchased on credit.

College loan payments ( they were not all that common in 1970) very common now.

We also eat out more. Think about this if you go to choke and puke like Applebees or Chili's with you, your wife and your 2.13 kids that's 50.00 right there(minimum)...that's leaving out any appetizers. We do that as a society at least once a week. The same amount of money at a grocery store could feed the same family for at least three days.
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