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re: Personal Stories of ACA in WV, powerful article

Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:06 am to
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:06 am to
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Thanks for the reminder. The 400% premium increase and 250% increase in deductible over the last few years didn't do enough to remind me.


That's the essence of this important debate.

Is the premium increase and deductible increase worth the healthcare of the people highlighted in this piece?

I tend to know which way this board leans on that answer, but when it is made into personal stories like these, minds tend to change.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111802 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:06 am to
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Is the premium increase and deductible increase worth the healthcare of the people highlighted in this piece?


Given the outcomes of Medicaid treatment, probably not.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 9:09 am
Posted by TidenUP
Dauphin Island
Member since Apr 2011
14456 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:08 am to
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when it is made into personal stories like these, minds tend to change


Typical. Going for an emotional response.
Posted by JLivermore
Wendover
Member since Dec 2015
1446 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:12 am to
I'm long past falling for the sentimental bullshite. Obama spoiled that for you guys.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:13 am to
quote:

Is the premium increase and deductible increase worth the healthcare of the people highlighted in this piece?

I tend to know which way this board leans on that answer, but when it is made into personal stories like these, minds tend to change.



I guess maybe I'm in the minority to think something should be done for both groups impacted. Why do we insist on pitting one against the other? It's basically a poor vs. middle class showdown.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:14 am to
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Is the premium increase and deductible increase worth the healthcare of the people highlighted in this piece?
Not to me.
quote:

I tend to know which way this board leans on that answer, but when it is made into personal stories like these, minds tend to change.

Nope, still dgaf
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14543 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:16 am to
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That's the essence of this important debate.

Is the premium increase and deductible increase worth the healthcare of the people highlighted in this piece?

I tend to know which way this board leans on that answer, but when it is made into personal stories like these, minds tend to change.



Quite frankly the implications of what you are saying are terrifying. As long as there is a tragic story out there, we should never stop spending.

The problem is that viewpoint ends in even more tragedy. We will run out of money way before we run out of problems.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15613 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:33 am to
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I tend to know which way this board leans on that answer, but when it is made into personal stories like these, minds tend to change.
Not mine.

I'm perfectly fine with them paying for what they want without demanding I help them when I get zero benefits from doing so.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
52037 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:06 am to
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Is the premium increase and deductible increase worth the healthcare of the people highlighted in this piece?



That's not the question you should be asking. The question should be "Is the premium increase and deductible increase worth the greater annual deficits and ultimately driving up the debt even more?"

The problem with the whole ACA/AHA mindset is that it forces those that have to become responsible for those that have not. Philanthropy is a just and wonderful activity, but to mandate that people must be philanthropic or risk reprisal does little more than create resentment and push against the very cause you're trying to aid.
Posted by Pinecone Repair
Burminham
Member since Nov 2013
7156 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:59 am to
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Is the premium increase and deductible increase worth the healthcare of the people highlighted in this piece?


No.

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I tend to know which way this board leans on that answer, but when it is made into personal stories like these, minds tend to change.


That's the point of those stories. I am unmoved.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
28101 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 11:08 am to
Here is your problem in these areas. They have really crappy lifestyles in terms of habits and diets. You could deliver to them the BEST healthcare , but until you address the lifestyles, you are just running around putting multiple fingers in a dyke that keeps springing holes.

If you wanted to help fix it, the types of foods they eat would be a good place to start. It's a world of processed foods heavy in sugars and salt.....cereal, potato chips, etc.

Another thing I would do would be to tax the hell out of cigarettes.....I'll guarantee you that the rate of smoking there is probably 2X the national average and the daily consumption of tobacco is ridiculous as hell.

Those two things would help those people out....but it's probably a losing battle. I knew a girl from N. LA who once told me that overall in her small town that there were three things to do there .....smoking, screwing and drinking....in that order
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