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re: How do you fix the problem of NBA teams sitting star players?

Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:29 am to
Posted by VinegarStrokes
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:29 am to
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Five teams per league make the postseason


He said that 4 teams [per league] play in postseason "series", which is correct. That 1 game wild card play in game is not a series. A series consist of multiple games.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:30 am to
1. Too many playoff teams.
2. Too many teams, not enough parity.

Almost every single NBA season, the predictions of who makes the Finals has a much greater chance of being right than any other sport. And it isn't close. There are too many terrible teams and too many have zero shot at winning.

In the last 30 years, what is the lowest ranked NBA playoff team that has made the Finals? The lowest to win a Finals?

There is no parity.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:33 am to
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You'd have to tie down Larry Bird( insert great competitor name) with a thick chain & car axle like some do with Pit Bulls to keep him out of the lineup against a great foe.

And Larry could've had a much better end of his career if he wasn't constantly injured from all the wear and tear he put on his body in his earlier years
Posted by NamariTiger
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:36 am to
Cut the season from 82 to 72 or 65
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:45 am to
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One can't legislate heart & competiveness, dude
Exactly why I came up with this idea.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:46 am to
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Hot Carl
Hit the treadmill.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:46 am to
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Cut down the regular season by 5-7 games is a start.
Not realistic.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:47 am to
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He said that 4 teams [per league] play in postseason "series", which is correct.
Nice catch.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 11:49 am to
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There are too many terrible teams and too many have zero shot at winning.
If star players play say, five fewer minutes per game, this would improve parity, right? That's what my idea gets at. Lebron playing 37 minutes a game instead of 42 does not diminish the product imho.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:06 pm to
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If star players play say, five fewer minutes per game, this would improve parity, right? That's what my idea gets at. Lebron playing 37 minutes a game instead of 42 does not diminish the product imho.
Your first sentence is saying that star players playing less means lower teams have a better shot. Then, you contradict that with your 2nd statement.

I think they need to remove 4 teams or more from the NBA. Less crappy players in the NBA would increase the product value. Better players on more teams.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:09 pm to
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Your first sentence is saying that star players playing less means lower teams have a better shot. Then, you contradict that with your 2nd statement.
How do you mean?
Posted by monkeybutt
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:38 pm to
Star players playing less, allowing worse players more influence over the league does diminish the product. I don't see how that's even debatable.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:43 pm to
I only casually follow the NBA, so excuse my stupid question.. but why does it matter if they sit or not?

They could be sitting for a number of reasons
This post was edited on 3/12/17 at 12:44 pm
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:48 pm to
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Star players playing less, allowing worse players more influence over the league does diminish the product. I don't see how that's even debatable.

Star players sitting fewer games, and more parity. That's a better product. If star players play slightly fewer minutes per game, that reduction will go relatively unnoticed game to game.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 1:00 pm to
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I only casually follow the NBA, so excuse my stupid question.. but why does it matter if they sit or not?

They could be sitting for a number of reasons
The Spurs and Heat began a trend of occasionally sitting Duncan and Wade, respectively, because they figured out that aging players like them would be fresher come playoff time. The Warriors and Cavaliers are copying that technique this year and inevitably will continue. When you're dealing with millions of tv viewers and millions of dollars of ticket revenue per game, it strongly behooves the NBA to create a game/environment where only injured players wear street clothes.

The goal is to have players play all 82 games. So I'm trying to figure out some way how that could happen. You can't demand that players not sit, ever—the players' union would walk.

My foul rule inevitably would reduce star players' minutes per game slightly in a way that would not diminish the game-to-game product and would enhance the long-term product. More players would contribute, and more teams would contend. That is ultimately good.
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 1:07 pm to
I also think that people think this is a bigger problem in the past, and that's not true. The difference is that teams are just more brazen about it and aren't lying and adding guys to injury reports.

You're looking for a solution to a non existent problem.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 1:10 pm to
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You're looking for a solution to a non existent problem.
Spurs and Warriors were on national tv last night, and a healthy Curry sat. That is a problem that the NBA will attempt to solve.

It's enough of a problem that the NBA has crafted protocol to make sure that teams inform the league in due time for media purposes. There isn't a day that Adam Silver works when this issue doesn't cross his mind.
This post was edited on 3/12/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted by hashtag
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 1:43 pm to
You're speculating. Adam Silver works for the NBA owners. If he can show that sitting your star players for a game or 2 or 3 costs the owners money, then maybe it becomes a problem.

But it isn't, not currently. Star players have always say out games. Always. Maybe not every star. But, every season in the history of the NBA, star players have sat to rest. Every single season.

It is a non issue. Stop pretending like you are the heartbeat of the NBA and that you have any understanding of what the NBA commissioner does.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 3/12/17 at 1:50 pm to
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You're speculating. Adam Silver works for the NBA owners. If he can show that sitting your star players for a game or 2 or 3 costs the owners money, then maybe it becomes a problem.
There currently are rules on the books that place red tape in front of a team who wants to sit a non-injured player. Doing so is discouraged specifically with the league's economic viability in mind. The Spurs were fined two years ago for not following what Popovich openly believes to be exhaustive protocol.
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Stop pretending like you are the heartbeat of the NBA and that you have any understanding of what the NBA commissioner does.
Cute, but clearly I'm ahead of you here.
This post was edited on 3/12/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
25569 posts
Posted on 3/12/17 at 1:57 pm to
I don't know who is more fricked up...ballcaster or Boom.

The NBA threads around here are a shitshow with these guys.
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