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re: Debt Ceiling: At What Point Does this Have to Stop?

Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:38 am to
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:38 am to
Must be nice to be a Baby Boomer politician knowing that you can run up the debt and you'll be dead by the time the shite hits the fan.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19324 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:41 am to
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Had to do both at the same time. Selective reductions coupled with strategies to minimize impact, such as consolidating functions and maximizing physical plant to perform mission AND eliminated entire programs as they were cost prohibitive.

As difficult as it was some real creativity and self-directed initiative emerged


Thanks for the input.

We need you to go advise President Trump on government reduction to make MAGA (I have some suggestions when you do)
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:42 am to




Jesus rose again in only 3 days, but it took the national debt 8 years.
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:42 am to
So now you fricks are concerned with the debt?

Why weren't you posting this charts for the last 8 years?
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:51 am to
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It won't ever stop.....next question


It does stop. But presidents often have to face assassination attempts when they try to/actually do make it stop. Lincoln and Jackson being prime examples. Ponzi schemes have an ending, but it is usually with the complete debasement of society and ends with literally Hitler.

Lincoln's greenback was a great example. Jackson also stopped the central bank and paid the debt back.
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7785 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:51 am to
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So now you fricks are concerned with the debt? Why weren't you posting this charts for the last 8 years?


Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:55 am to
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exp(something something time)

just like GDP
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:57 am to
When will you idiots realize

No one in this thread gets it

BANKS AND USURERS own our government and our politicians.

The banks benefit from debt ceiling hikes and never ending debt.

We must defeat the banks and usurers or nothing will ever change.

It will take a revolt of Americans.

The thing is any country who has taken on the banks the past 100 years has ended up getting destroyed. Germany. Afghanistan. Iraq. So its almost a suicide mission.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:59 am to
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When will you idiots realize

No one in this thread gets it

BANKS AND USURERS

what i don't get

is why you insist

on saying USURERS
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 9:00 am
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33991 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:10 am to
The National Debt number is misleading.

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The U.S. debt is $19.9 trillion. Most headlines focus on how much the United States owes China, which is one of the largest foreign owners. What many people don’t know is that the Social Security Trust Fund, aka your retirement money, owns most of the national debt. How does that work, and what does it mean?

Intragovernmental Holdings. This is the federal debt owed to 230 other federal agencies. It totals $5.554 trillion, almost 30 percent of the debt. Why would the government owe money to itself? Some agencies, like the Social Security Trust Fund, take in more revenue from taxes than they need. Rather than stick this cash under a giant mattress, they buy U.S. Treasurys with it.

Social Security (Social Security Trust Fund and Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund) - $2.801 trillion
Office of Personnel Management Retirement - $888 billion
Military Retirement Fund - $670 billion
Medicare (Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund) - $294 billion
All other retirement funds - $304 billion
Cash on hand to fund federal government operations - $580 billion.

Debt Held by the Public. This is the rest of the national debt, totaling $14.403 trillion. Foreign governments and investors hold nearly half of the nation's public debt. One-fourth is held by other governmental entities. These include the Federal Reserve, as well as state and local governments. Fifteen percent is held by mutual funds, private pension funds, savings bonds or individual Treasury notes. The remaining 10 percent is owned by businesses, like banks and insurance companies, and an assortment of trusts, companies, and investors. Here's the breakdown:

Foreign - $6.281 trillion
Federal Reserve - $2.463 trillion
Mutual funds - $1.379 trillion
State and local government, including their pension funds - $874 billion
Private pension funds - $544 billion
Banks - $570 billion
Insurance companies - $304 billion
U.S. savings bonds - $169 billion

As you can see, if you add up the debt held by Social Security and all the retirement and pension funds, nearly half of the U.S. Treasury debt is held in trust for your retirement. If the United States defaults on its debt, foreign investors would be angry, but current and future retirees would be hurt the most.



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Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
141524 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:13 am to
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Not really helpful.


Joboo is just here to troll. Just ignore it.
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:14 am to
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on saying USURERS



Banks = Usury
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:16 am to
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Banks = Usury

Are you defining "usury" as the charging of interest or something?
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:17 am to
Solid rebuttal
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
141524 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:17 am to
Banks lending money is usury?
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:19 am to
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Are you defining "usury" as the charging of interest or something?



No

Not all banks are bad

But the big banks are. I.E. Goldman Sachs.

Usurers generally get kicked out of countries, based on history.

There is fair lending, and then there is predatory lending who go out of their way to take advantage of people. Then these banks buy politicians to help further and protect their usury - see Bill Clinton and the Affordable Housing Act, for example.

History shows that politicians who have taken on the banks have been taken out - JFK, Hitler, Saddam Hussein are 3 examples.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:22 am to
you're contradicting yourself while talking complete nonsense

you seem unhinged TBH
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7785 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:22 am to
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Solid rebuttal


Do I have to provide a rebuttal when I prophesied your dumbass post in the OP?

Nah. Not worth the time I've already spent typing this message.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49163 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:23 am to
LMAO, now you are?????
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:24 am to
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you're contradicting yourself while talking complete nonsense



How?

Usury is how certain groups of people maintain and exercise control over a populace

The federal reserve is a great example of state sponsored usury. It's heavily guarded and no one is allowed to audit it or do anything about it. Only a certain number of people are allowed to run the treasury department and chair the federal reserve. They have to be handpicked and approved by the chief usury officers basically.
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