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re: Why does Fox bring Mark Fuhrman on every time there is Police scandal?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 9:03 am to ChineseBandit58
Posted on 2/27/17 at 9:03 am to ChineseBandit58
It was a perfect storm for the defense....
A) A Jury straight outta Compton
B) A Judge whose only concern was being the center of attention.
C) The Best Defense Team money could buy
D) A distracting side show courtesy of the LAPD
E) A Prosecution woefully unprepared
In the end Furman and the Detectives assigned to the case were correct....you could have had a Detective squad made up of Benedictine Monks and that group of idiots on the jury would have still found Ojail not guilty.
A) A Jury straight outta Compton
B) A Judge whose only concern was being the center of attention.
C) The Best Defense Team money could buy
D) A distracting side show courtesy of the LAPD
E) A Prosecution woefully unprepared
In the end Furman and the Detectives assigned to the case were correct....you could have had a Detective squad made up of Benedictine Monks and that group of idiots on the jury would have still found Ojail not guilty.
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 9:05 am to Vacherie Saint
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Strong bump. Watch OJ made in america. As a detective, in that specific case, his work was without reproach. It's acknowledged by many colleagues and attorneys today. The Asian CSI guy fricked up handling much of the evidence, but the initial detective work was good.
Furman got buried when an old audio tape, unrelated to the case, was played where he said some racist stuff. His character was destroyed, and if you recall, the entire defense was based on racist motivations.
This...
Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:06 am to ChineseBandit58
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Because an object doesn't show up in one shot does not mean that object was not present. As I recall that shot, the bed was in the lower right corner of the photo. The sock could have easily been just out of sight behind the bed.
Had to refresh my memory. The sock was demonstrably absent for the video of the undisturbed crime scene and unlike every other piece of evidence gathered by the CSI team it wasn't time logged into evidence. You can white Knight all you want but the sock wasn't there.
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And the charge of the blood being present on "both top and bottom with same pattern" means to me that OJ used the sock to stop the bleeding by wrapping it around his finger to stem the flow of blood - or at least to keep it from dropping on the carpet.
Did OJ also stick his finger in a blood containment vile to stop the bleeding long enough to contaminate it with the chemical compound found in the blood on the sock?
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That is a far more probable scenario than a bunch of detectives getting together to pour blood from a collected sample onto a 'sock that wasn't there.' The crime scene team was amateurish but nobody is that stupid. And it certainly would not have bee Fuhrman so that is irrelevant in your attack on him.
And yet we have the sock and we have Mark Fuhrman recording hours of audio claiming to do this sort of thing repeatedly...
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No - that is not proven. Anyone can struggle to make a glove not go on if they dont want it to. And - I watched that happen in real time - OJ was wearing latex gloves "to protect the evidence" and those latex gloves only came down halfway on his fingers. I was saying before he started that he will never get those gloves on over the latex gloves.
They didn't fit, you must quit.
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again - Fuhrman was/'is not a racist, any more than 99% of all people alive at the time. The definition of 'racist' is so watered down now that it has no meaning whatsoever to any thinking individual. So continuing to call him a racist just demeans whatever argument you may have. It shows as complete lack of objectivity on your part.
Mark Fuhrman on his own volition recorded 13 hours of admissions of violent and illegal oppression of black men in LA. He literally said they targeted them because, well, they are n!&&@$. If he isn't a racist then there is no such thing.
I'm far from an SJW and far too often good cops are smeared by the notion that all cops are out to get blacks but the LAPD and your buddy Mark POS Fuhrman sure added fuel to that fire.
Yes, I watched the trial like it was my damn job. The jury got it right unfortunately, they had to acquit given the case presented and the overwhelming evidence that the LAPD and your boy at the very least manufactured pile on evidence.
You can thank them for both OJ walking and giving birth to the Cops are out to get the black man movement.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:41 am to Vacherie Saint
Agreed! OJ was guilty as hell and the only way they could get him off was to play the race card. The defense team's investigators dug up stuff that had nothing to do with the case or how Fuhrman did his investigation. The result was that a murderer went free, and Mark Fuhrman became a very rich man. You don't have to like him to admit he knows his stuff.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:02 am to More&Les
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They didn't fit, you must quit.
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Look at the video - I had to go back and see if my memory was correct.
The latex gloves do not go past the fist knuckle on his hands. There is no way on earth for the murder glove to go past that point.
The remainder of your post is just pure speculation and I won't waste time debating it with you.
And I won't waste time talking about gloves that have been wet and allowed to dry being hard to put on the first time.
It was the latex gloves that kept him from being able to put his fingers into the glove past the first knuckle.
This was evident to me in real time as I watched - I kept waiting for the prosecution to make him put his fingers fully into the latex glove, but being the dumb-shite morons they were, they just looked like a kid who got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
OJ was guilty as hell - no rational jury could have returned that verdict.
And the bottom line is that you cannot blame Fuhrmans detective work for any single aspect of the screwups. You can blame him for being a typical good policeman who got caught up in the emerging 'down with whitey' panic that has gripped the nation for the past 3 decades.
That is all - rant away.
And explain this - what IF Fuhrman really was a raging racist. Does that mean that black men should be allowed to murder people and get away with it? Because that is really your message = "MF is racist so it is OK for OJ to murder 2 people."
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:36 am to _Hurricane_
That fact is all you need to know about FarceNews
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:02 am to ChineseBandit58
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The remainder of your post is just pure speculation and I won't waste time debating it with you.
So I made up the sock not being time logged, not being on the video and containing the blood vile chemical?
You won't answer because you can't.
You also seem unwilling to address Fuhrman's 13 hours of tell all on how he and others in LAPD regularly FRAMED black men because the were n!&&@$.
I'm related to a number of LEOs and I personally know and respect a bunch more LEOs and I can tell you Mark Fuhrman is NOT representative of them.
Moreover, I believe OJ was/is a world class POS and should have been convicted along with the person (likely his son) belonging to the 4th set of dna at the crime scene. Yet he walked because of the incompetence of the Prosecution, the LAPD and your hero, Mark FuQing Fuhrman.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:29 am to More&Les
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You also seem unwilling to address Fuhrman's 13 hours of tell all on how he and others in LAPD regularly FRAMED black men because the were n!&&@$.
OK - I am unaware of anything other than Fuhrman's taped discussions with a screenwriter (or author?) discussing plot lines for a movie. I never read it - it is absolutely and totally unrelated to the OJ case.
I grew up in an age where 'n!&&@' was just a word to describe colored people. It carried no connotation to me at all except to describe a non-white person. Back in the day, absolute facts were not deemed to be morally repugnant. Black people referred to themselves as 'n!&&@" also.
Back in the day of rational thought, the actual word said was less important than the context in which it was said.
I could say about my friend = "that son of a bitch bowled a perfect 300 while he was drunk on his arse." and that would be entierly different than saying = "that son of a bitch cheated me on that trade."
Back in the day of rational thought - a person trying to find workers to clear a piece of land could say = "go down to the quarters and find some 'n!&&@s'" and that would mean nothing more than trying to fill out a crew to do a job. Absolutely no prejudice or hatred would be intended - or would be taken by the n!&&@ who responded. That was a day when people could talk with each other using common words without a thought of 'hurt feelings' because of what someone else might think of the situation.
All this political correctness bullshite has ushered in an age of mental deterioration worse than any physical virus could inflict. You people just cannot think straight anymore. That is because you apply currently re-defined standards to earlier eras and then you apply those current standards to your opponents in a different way than you apply them to your friends.
You are basically dishonest - and to the extent you have any conscience left in your soul you know it.
I'd like to pursue these philosophies with you in a different thread if you want an honest discussion on racism.
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OJ was/is a world class POS and should have been convicted along with the person (likely his son) belonging to the 4th set of dna at the crime scene. Yet he walked because of the incompetence of the Prosecution, the LAPD and your hero, Mark FuQing Fuhrman.
Mark Fuhrman is no hero of mine. I have long defended anyone against unfounded attacks. I have defended Sarah Palin, Mark Fuhrman, Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz, John McCain, and many others when the attacks are totally without basis and are intentionally presented to further a false narrative. Of that list, only Cruz could be remotely considered a 'hero' of mine.
To say that Mark Fuhrman was the most competent investigator for the prosecution in the OJ case is not hero-worship. It is a statement of my firm opinion of the shite-show Judge Ito allowed to take place in his courtroom.
The prosecution team was not totally incompetent, but they were woefully unprepared to withstand the bullshite the defense dumped and Ito allowed in the courtroom.
You keep conflating Fuhrman's capability as an investigator with the outcome of the Ito-courtroom travesty.
That is all.= Fuhrman is an absolutely excellent detective. To answer the OP, that is why he is brought onto FNC to discuss police scandals. You have not laid a glove on his competence.
The courtroom drama is a completely different planet.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:40 am to ChineseBandit58
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OK - I am unaware of anything other than Fuhrman's taped discussions with a screenwriter (or author?) discussing plot lines for a movie
It was an expose and him detailing his own alleged involvement in frame ups and violent crimes against black men and he justified his actions BECAUSE they were black.
This is not some conspiracy theory made up shite, this is what he said happened and at least some of the cases he identified were found to have happened.
Somebody PLANTED the sock, point of fact.
Fuhrman was charged and pled out and did some jail time for his stellar work in this case.
Defending him is not akin to defending Sarah Palin but probably is akin to defending HRC so carry on with your conflicted bullshite.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:00 am to More&Les
quote:]Am I wrong about my memory? Were these tapes not solely for discussing a screenplay or plot for a novel??
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OK - I am unaware of anything other than Fuhrman's taped discussions with a screenwriter (or author?) discussing plot lines for a movie
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It was an expose and him detailing his own alleged involvement in frame ups and violent crimes against black men and he justified his actions BECAUSE they were black.
Were there any convictions - or even investigations - that resulted from "his own alleged involvement in frame ups and violent crimes against black men and he justified his actions BECAUSE they were black." ???
Was Fuhrman ever accused of doctoring or planting the sock? Did he ever have access to either the sock or the blood vial?
Was Fuhrman convicted (pled out) of any crime other than perjury when he denied having ever uttered the word ______?
He was not convicted of "racism" - he was convicted of not choosing to play into the defense narrative of a racist trying to frame OJ by not relating the screenplay discussion (or not remembering it.)
You have failed miserably in attacking Fuhrman's competence as a detective.
I am working entirely on a two decades old memory - the only thing I have googled is the "gloves don't fit" video = Which I see you have absolutely nothing to say about.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:18 am to ChineseBandit58
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]Am I wrong about my memory? Were these tapes not solely for discussing a screenplay or plot for a novel??
Again for those of YOU who are slow, it was part of an expose of the LAPD and it led to major issues and changes within the department.
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Were there any convictions - or even investigations - that resulted from "his own alleged involvement in frame ups and violent crimes against black men and he justified his actions BECAUSE they were black." ???
Why yes there was an investigation and while the LAPD claimed that some of Fuhrman's stories were exaggerated they found his charges against the LAPD and himself in their treatment of female fellow officers totally true.
So, the black men beaten and framed by Fuhrman and company, oh no, that was totally cool. The female officers harassed and interfered with, who also had the police union speaking for them, we'll yea, not cool.
You want to dismiss the tapes but they were real and even if he exaggerated or fabricated them that just makes him a LIAR again and a RACIST and a MYSOGINIST.
I don't know who planted the sock. I know the Prosecution didn't have answers for why it wasn't on the video and why it wasn't date stamped by the CSI team like every other piece of evidence and I know which LAPD detective spent at least 13 hours claiming that he had not only participated in framing black men and planting evidence he implicated the whole department in systemic racism and misogyny and at least major portions of it were found to be true.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:19 am to _Hurricane_
Fox using Furhman and Oliver North is just blatant trolling
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:22 am to Pettifogger
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Fox using Furhman and Oliver North is just blatant trolling
For once, I agree with Peti. Dear baby jesus.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:25 am to _Hurricane_
It's certainly not good for optics.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:13 pm to More&Les
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Again for those of YOU who are slow, it was part of an expose of the LAPD and it led to major issues and changes within the department.
SO - what you are referring to is DIFFERENT than the chit-chat with the screenwriter/author. The latter is all that I have ever heard about.
If there was more, I haven't heard it and unless you link it here, I'll not bother to look for it because it is completely irrelevant to the OJ case. Unless of course there is some direct relationship you can link.
As for the sock, I am willing to admit someone may have planted it - there are plenty of scumbags everywhere - there may have even been some scumbags in the defense operation.
It has nothing to do with MF's competence as a detective. And certainly has nothing to do with his investigative actions in the OJ case.
But re-hash all the 'racism' bullshite you want = even toss in the 'misogynist' bullshite for good measure.
btw - you haven't responded to the comedy of the "gloves don't fit' travesty.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:17 pm to OchoDedos
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E) A Prosecution woefully unprepared
Not to mention a prosecutor who foolishly was more than happy to have plenty of black women on the jury, thinking that they would be more loyal to their gender than their race.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:19 pm to Pettifogger
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Fox using Furhman and Oliver North is just blatant trolling
You say that like it's a bad thing.
I love it when the SJWs get their panties in a wad - the more the better.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:22 pm to BamaGradinTn
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prosecutor who foolishly was more than happy to have plenty of black women on the jury
What was the makeup - over half??
I recall thinking at the start of the trial it would be hard to avoid a hung jury (maybe I should say 'split' jury) but as the case unfolded, I began to think even they could not overlook the mountain of convicting evidence.
But they did - and with a quickness that surprised me.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:28 pm to ChineseBandit58
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ChineseBandit58
You are woefully uninformed sir.
Fuhrman recorded the tapes, they were investigated, they ended his career.
Someone planted the sock.
Other evidence was suspect.
Mark Fuhrman committed perjury.
Mark Fuhrman pled the fifth as to planting evidence in the OJ Simpson case.
He had already been proven to have committed perjury so there was no need to plead the fifth regarding that question or the question of whether he had given truthful testimony.
The only question that mattered was regarding the planting of evidence and your top notch detective couldn't answer the question on the grounds that he might incriminate himself.
Proven LIAR. Admitted Framer. Admitted Racist. Admitted planter of evidence.
Your hero, Mark FuQing Fuhrman.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:34 pm to More&Les
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Fuhrman recorded the tapes,
What tapes - The only ones I am familiar with is the ones recorded by the screenwriter/author discussing plot for a potential cops&robbers movie.
I asked you if you are referring to a different tape and you sound like that "Louie Nye the science guy"discussing global warming.
The rest of your rant is becoming more and more incoherent and I'll ignore it.
What about the GLOVES DON"T FIT bullshite??????
YOU are the one that brought this up - now you run from it like Dracula from a cross.
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