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re: Is anyone here dumb enough to think the Wall costs $12.5M a mile?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:59 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 1/25/17 at 8:59 pm to OMLandshark
In all seriousness, I would think this is a reasonable figure in light of the overall length of the wall--not just 1 mile--and its relative dimensions. I haven't done it, but I would guess that the Interstate noise barriers that they installed in BR and elsewhere would give a good reference point re cost. Except that those were built in high traffic areas with a host of environmental and other concerns. If MAGA gets the regulatory restrictions abated, a $12.5M figure for erecting a series of vertical concrete slabs across the desert should be about right.
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:05 pm to OMLandshark
Where are you getting those numbers?
Why do we need a concrete wall 10 foot wide??? or 30 foot tall?
Why do we need a concrete wall 10 foot wide??? or 30 foot tall?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:11 pm to OMLandshark
Ok, you are right, we will change it to 27 foot tall and 5 foot wide...that should bring it into budget.
Why don't you plug that into the 'I'm an expert in border wall building in the desert computer'
by reducing the mass of the wall by more than half, we should be ok, but I want to consult the expert.
Why don't you plug that into the 'I'm an expert in border wall building in the desert computer'
by reducing the mass of the wall by more than half, we should be ok, but I want to consult the expert.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:19 pm to OMLandshark
quote:You dumb
And let's not think about buying property from private citizens on top of that.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:19 pm to OMLandshark
They need to do the following:
-Have two walls; one on Mexico's end and one on our end
-Limit the number of entry points into each state
-Tightly control each entry point
-Treat a certain distance between the two walls as a de facto "DMZ". (No, not with mines like in Korea, but conceptually like how a DMZ works in the IT field)
-Have two walls; one on Mexico's end and one on our end
-Limit the number of entry points into each state
-Tightly control each entry point
-Treat a certain distance between the two walls as a de facto "DMZ". (No, not with mines like in Korea, but conceptually like how a DMZ works in the IT field)
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:37 pm to OMLandshark
Keep in mind that the Federal government runs a $500B deficit in a year like it's nothing. They spend money like it's nothing. What's another $60B?
So let's say it's $60B to build the wall, which most estimates have it at less than half that. $60B is over $30m a mile.
Let's say they impose a 15% tax on money sent from the states to Mexico. That's at least $25B over 8 years.
Let's say they impose a 5% tariff on imports from Mexico. That's another $100B over 8 years.
Let's say they impose a $50 fee per US traveler to visit Mexico. There's another $10B over 8 years.
So now we're up to $135 BILLION to pay for the wall over 8 years and we haven't even dipped into general funds.
How you like them apples?
So let's say it's $60B to build the wall, which most estimates have it at less than half that. $60B is over $30m a mile.
Let's say they impose a 15% tax on money sent from the states to Mexico. That's at least $25B over 8 years.
Let's say they impose a 5% tariff on imports from Mexico. That's another $100B over 8 years.
Let's say they impose a $50 fee per US traveler to visit Mexico. There's another $10B over 8 years.
So now we're up to $135 BILLION to pay for the wall over 8 years and we haven't even dipped into general funds.
How you like them apples?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:40 pm to OMLandshark
We ain't paying for the wall, bruh.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:11 pm to OMLandshark
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You know what I bet their response will be: frick No! I doubt they'd do it for under 20 million a mile. You'd have to start at 25 million if not 30 for a competent contractor to even consider it. And let's not think about buying property from private citizens on top of that.
I have a construction co. We'd start negotiating at 30/mi but I could get it done for 22. Less if I use illegals. Not sure how that would go over.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:18 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
I doubt they'd do it for under 20 million a mile
Don't know if this has been said in five pages, but economies of scale.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:28 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
And let's not think about buying property from private citizens on top of that.
happens all the time for pipelines dumbass.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:21 pm to OMLandshark
Okay, I looked into this shite while eating some gross healthy food this evening.
Concrete is $90 a square yard, and $14 per square yard for rebar. That's non-bulk, RETAIL price.
Assume installation takes 6 minutes per foot of wall (which is fricking slow) with labor costs at $200 per hour, or $20 for every foot of wall.
Assume the wall is 50 fricking feet tall and one foot thick.
Per foot of wall:
$10 per square foot for concrete x 50 = $500
$1.50 per sq ft for rebar x 50 = $75
$20 per foot of wall for labor
= $595 per foot of wall
Add 20% for cost overruns and other bullshite.
= $714 per foot of wall.
Add more, just because frick YOU, that's why.
= $1000 per foot of wall
x 5280 feet (one mile) = $5,280,000 per mile
$5.3 Billion for 1000 miles of wall.
Double it, because frick MEXICO =
$10.6 billion for a 1000 mile, 50 foot high motherfricking wall.
Show me where I am wrong. Anybody!!!
Concrete is $90 a square yard, and $14 per square yard for rebar. That's non-bulk, RETAIL price.
Assume installation takes 6 minutes per foot of wall (which is fricking slow) with labor costs at $200 per hour, or $20 for every foot of wall.
Assume the wall is 50 fricking feet tall and one foot thick.
Per foot of wall:
$10 per square foot for concrete x 50 = $500
$1.50 per sq ft for rebar x 50 = $75
$20 per foot of wall for labor
= $595 per foot of wall
Add 20% for cost overruns and other bullshite.
= $714 per foot of wall.
Add more, just because frick YOU, that's why.
= $1000 per foot of wall
x 5280 feet (one mile) = $5,280,000 per mile
$5.3 Billion for 1000 miles of wall.
Double it, because frick MEXICO =
$10.6 billion for a 1000 mile, 50 foot high motherfricking wall.
Show me where I am wrong. Anybody!!!
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:24 pm to OMLandshark
It's literally the dumbest thing America has done in my lifetime...
Complete waste of money, and it likely will never be finished.
Complete waste of money, and it likely will never be finished.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:25 pm to OMLandshark
Are you under the impressiob that the wall will be built by contractors?
Posted on 1/26/17 at 12:39 am to OMLandshark
quote:Who cares? Mexico is paying for it. Try to keep up.
Is anyone here dumb enough to think the Wall costs $12.5M a mile?
MAGA
Posted on 1/26/17 at 3:07 am to OMLandshark
I can tell how big of a moron you are when I see "10 feet wide." A freaking foundation shear wall supporting a 400+ foot tall high rise is 12" thick.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 5:55 am to OMLandshark
Concrete at 1100 every 10 yards adds up quick. And that's just material.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 6:36 am to OMLandshark
quote:
To those of you who think that is feasible, I give you a simple challenge. Go find a contractor and ask them if they'd build a wall with concrete and brick with these dimensions: 30 feet tall 10 feet wide 1 mile long 12.5 million dollars, and additional miles out in the middle of nowhere on top of that.
You can't find a contractor that will build a fully functional (kitchen, bath, plumbing, electric, concrete slab, brick wall, tile floors and shingle roof) 100 square foot house for $13,000 dollars either. But you can find tons that will build 2000 square feet for $260,000.
You can't look at it as just one mile.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 9:56 am to OMLandshark
quote:
$12.5M a mile
that's $2,367/lf...sounds like a low estimate to me.
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:04 am to OMLandshark
Sorry bro...its happening get over it
Posted on 1/26/17 at 10:19 am to OMLandshark
quote:
To those of you who think that is feasible, I give you a simple challenge. Go find a contractor and ask them if they'd build a wall with concrete and brick with these dimensions:
30 feet tall
10 feet wide
1 mile long
12.5 million dollars, and additional miles out in the middle of nowhere on top of that.
You are assuming those dimensions. More than likely it will be built like a T wall (Ironic that the Trump wall will be a T wall??).
These is also a company who is designing a machine that will build a wall similar to that with minimal labor. It is like the machines that are used to build sidewalk curbs but on a much larger scale. It has a sleeve that is the form for the wall and concrete is pumped into it and as the machine creeps along the wall is laid out. There would be steel posts vibrated down into the earth for stability.
The study I read back in 2008 (from when the wall was actually approved) was that the wall would be built 30 feet or so on our side and there would be gravel roads on both sides for the border patrol to drive on and inspect. The report also said that the border patrol vehicles should have ground penetrating radar and that will look for tunnels. With an addition of cameras along the border could be secured fairly easily.
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