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re: 49ers give Kaepernick Len Eshmont award for courage
Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:05 pm to shel311
Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:05 pm to shel311
quote:
Again, you have to separate whether you agree with his act/premise, because whether you do or not is irrelevant.
Obviously.
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I think he's a moron for kneeling and he's gone off the deep end with his thoughts in general, as evidenced by his Twitter. But that doesn't change the idea that it obviously took courage for him to do what he did knowing the response that would come as a result.
If you think he's a moron, then how can you be sure he knew anything about the response that would come as a result of his actions?
You're assuming he was aware of all these dire consequences - which as it turns out, weren't even all that dire, but that's another point altogether.
If you concede that you think he's foolish, isn't it also fair to assume he either wasn't aware or hadn't considered the ramifications of his actions?
If I pick up a poisonous snake, but I don't know it's poisonous, it doesn't make me fearless, it makes me unaware and kind of stupid.
And what was the backlash really? First Take sound bytes? Internet message boarders hating you? If enduring that type of backlash is courageous, then every pro QB is a brave, brave man.
He didn't lose his job, his jersey sales skyrocketed, and his corporate sponsors seem to be sticking with him. I read an article recently about his personal brand benefitting from his decision. I haven't heard of any physical danger that he's been in, other than being sacked on the field.
tl;dr - You can't say that he's inarguably courageous if you also admit that he's a moron. Unaware/naive/detached from reality =\= brave/fearless/intrepid.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:44 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:Because I'm being logical about this?
If you think he's a moron, then how can you be sure he knew anything about the response that would come as a result of his actions?
quote:I don't agree. Hell, you know he probably doesn't think highly of the white man, so I'm certain he figured white folks wouldn't react too kindly to this.
If you concede that you think he's foolish, isn't it also fair to assume he either wasn't aware or hadn't considered the ramifications of his actions?
Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:54 pm to shel311
Ah, the vintage shel counterargument formula in action.
Insert sarcastic, one-sentence rhetorical that addresses little, if any, of the point being made.
Add a laughing emoji.
Rinse and repeat.
Never change, buddy.
Insert sarcastic, one-sentence rhetorical that addresses little, if any, of the point being made.
Add a laughing emoji.
Rinse and repeat.
Never change, buddy.
This post was edited on 12/31/16 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:56 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:Some things don't really require a debate.
Ah, the vintage shel counterargument formula in action.
Insert sarcastic, one-sentence rhetorical that addresses little, if any, of the point being made.
Add a laughing emoji.
Rinse and repeat.
Never change, buddy.
Like thinking that Keep made this decision and literally thought there would be no backlash whatsoever. Why would I debate you on that?
I won't debate you if you say 2+2=5, again, why would I do that?
Make sense now?
Posted on 12/31/16 at 12:59 pm to shel311
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Some things don't really require a debate.
How convenient! That must happen to you pretty often.
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Like thinking that Keep made this decision and literally thought there would be no backlash whatsoever. Why would I debate you on that?
You called him a moron, not me. Are you now saying that morons have a knack for thinking things through? That doesn't make much sense to me.
quote:
I won't debate you if you say 2+2=5, again, why would I do that
Not even close to the same thing.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:02 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:Me? Not debating happens to me often? Not sure you could have made up a more incorrect statement.
How convenient! That must happen to you pretty often.
quote:Do you HONESTLY not realize how far you're reaching here? I'm not even sure you're being serious right now.
You called him a moron, not me. Are you now saying that morons have a knack for thinking things through? That doesn't make much sense to me.
quote:Heck of a lot closer than you think.
Not even close to the same thing.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:04 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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NawlinsTiger9
Colin Kapernick quote:
quote:
"Granted, I don't want that to happen, but that's the realization of what could happen, and I knew there were other things that came along with this when I first stood up and spoke about it. That's not something I haven't thought about."
Ready to move on from that stance now?
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:04 pm to ballscaster
he's stupid, not courageous
he's also being manipulated by his girl
he's also being manipulated by his girl
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:06 pm to shel311
It's far, far more of a reach to call someone a moron and then, in the same breath, give them credit for prognosticating the backlash to their aforementioned moronic decisions.
But hey, keep throwing that hyperbole around.
But hey, keep throwing that hyperbole around.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:06 pm to ballscaster
this franchise deserves to go 1-15 for the next 10 years for shoving harbaugh out the door & this
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:09 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:That's literally what you're doing here, not me.
But hey, keep throwing that hyperbole around.
You think saying a guy is a moron means he's apparently incapable of basic thinking, which for any logical person, knows that's not the proper context here.
You realize really smart people do really moronic things all the time, right?
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:09 pm to ballscaster
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have this crazy opinion that the 2-13 record and the award have nothing to do with each other.
bullshite. The fricking QB made everything about himself and is nothing more than a total distraction. The guy isn't courageous, he's a self-centered douchebag.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:11 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Johnny Knoxville and Steve-O have infinitely more courage than Kaep that's for sure
It also took courage for the guys in the Jackass movies to do their stunts.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:13 pm to shel311
I didn't say he's incapable of basic thinking.
That is you throwing hyperbole around. Again.
That is you throwing hyperbole around. Again.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:25 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:Making his decision and knowing some level of backlash is coming isn't basic thinking?
I didn't say he's incapable of basic thinking.
I still don't know what you're arguing. Again, have you never in your life seen a smart person do something and think, "Man, what a moron?"
I'm guessing your answer is, "of course, many times." So...
quote:Well, that was on you the first time, I just don't think you realized it.
That is you throwing hyperbole around. Again.
This post was edited on 12/31/16 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:28 pm to shel311
You know what I'm arguing. You're just being deliberately obtuse, as you are wont to do on here.
Carry on. Happy New Year!
Carry on. Happy New Year!
Posted on 12/31/16 at 1:30 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:Kinda
You know what I'm arguing.
quote:Speaking of obtuse, your argument is that if you call a guy a moron, again, he's incapable of making very normal logical leaps. So yea, I know what you're arguing, but i still don't get it because it isn't logical.
ou're just being deliberately obtuse
That's it, I don't see what part of that is incorrect. I feel I have your argument pegged very well, it's just, again, not a logical argument you're making by YOU using hyperbole with the term "moron"
Posted on 12/31/16 at 4:28 pm to ballscaster
Daniel Kilgore spends a lot of time and money on programs for special needs children. I would have preferred he won the award. But I'm not on the team. Just a fan for 30 plus years.
Posted on 12/31/16 at 4:44 pm to ballscaster
The franchise has become a joke so the award follows suit
Posted on 12/31/16 at 6:32 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Well this certainly explains the 2-13 record if their perception of courage is starting a movement kneeling during the National Anthem and supporting Fidel Castro.
It's bad enough the NFL seems to be less entertaining the last few years and seeing this idiot get praised is even more embarrassing for the NFL.
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