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Relying on great assistant coaches is a recipe for disaster
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:09 pm
We keep hearing from the pro Coach O crowd, "We'll keep Aranda, get Kiffin (or some other good OC), then we're off to the races!!! Dream team!"
The problem with this thought process is assuming these great assistant coaches stick around for the long term. Assistant coaches don't build programs and long term success.
-Saban loses his DC and they don't miss a beat.
-Meyer loses his OC and they're back in the title hunt
Great head coaches sustain long term success. Not assistants.
What happens when Coach O loses Aranda? And Kiffin (If we even get him)?
The problem with this thought process is assuming these great assistant coaches stick around for the long term. Assistant coaches don't build programs and long term success.
-Saban loses his DC and they don't miss a beat.
-Meyer loses his OC and they're back in the title hunt
Great head coaches sustain long term success. Not assistants.
What happens when Coach O loses Aranda? And Kiffin (If we even get him)?
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Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:13 pm to rintintin
Everyone knows this, including the LSU admins. They chose to risk it, it is what it is.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:15 pm to rintintin
We've been doing it for the past 12 fricking years
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:15 pm to rintintin
I don't think LSU will ever have trouble attracting top assistants due to high salaries and fertile recruiting ground in state.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:16 pm to rintintin
The presser reminded me of Trump in a way. "I'll surround myself with the best". Was very odd.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:28 pm to rintintin
quote:
We keep hearing from the pro Coach O crowd, "We'll keep Aranda, get Kiffin (or some other good OC), then we're off to the races!!! Dream team!" The problem with this thought process is assuming these great assistant coaches stick around for the long term. Assistant coaches don't build programs and long term success. -Saban loses his DC and they don't miss a beat. -Meyer loses his OC and they're back in the title hunt Great head coaches sustain long term success. Not assistants. What happens when Coach O loses Aranda? And Kiffin (If we even get him)?
Saban relies on the mighty Kiffin bro.....he's not an offensive mind.....
doomsday prophet
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:29 pm to rintintin
would you rather a more high profile head coach that promotes BDP/Mallory to DC and Studrawa/Cameron types to OC?
because that wasn't working.
because that wasn't working.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:34 pm to rintintin
I was trying to explain this in another thread. Saban might not have the title "defensive coordinator" but he damn well coordinates that defense. Same goes for Urban Meyer and Jimbo on offense.
These head coaches build an identity for their team regardless of who's the coordinators.
With Orgeron LSU will be a revolving door of coordinators and will never have a true identity.
We will be steadily switching offensive and defensive styles as the coordinators come in and out. Some doing well and advancing to better jobs and some shitting the bed and getting fired.
With O this will never end.
These head coaches build an identity for their team regardless of who's the coordinators.
With Orgeron LSU will be a revolving door of coordinators and will never have a true identity.
We will be steadily switching offensive and defensive styles as the coordinators come in and out. Some doing well and advancing to better jobs and some shitting the bed and getting fired.
With O this will never end.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:39 pm to rintintin
Shut up....we are tired of hearing it.
Go away
Go away
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:41 pm to rintintin
LSU and Alleva decided to worry about continuity, familiarity, and the short term. Just like with basketball, this will not only be a short term disaster, but will likely destroy everythimg DiNardo and Sabah built at LSU.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:43 pm to rintintin
Not having great assistant coaches is a recipe for disaster.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:44 pm to rintintin
By finding great assistants they are able to do so
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:47 pm to rintintin
Man, every coach relys on his assistant coaches. That is why they get paid.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:47 pm to rintintin
Just shut the hell up and accept and move on and wait for results. Damn... It didn't work out so well as a dictator either for Les did it? This isn't a perfect world and LSU tried to get other coaches. It didn't happen move on
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:50 pm to rintintin
Miles Joe Pa and Bowden won championships being CEOs. The OP is clueless.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:00 am to rintintin
I was going to make this long list for you, but all I got is Pete Carrol. Carrol was a defensive mind that actually gave up control to his OCs. Now, that said, he had some amazing OCs. Les vs O, O let's the assistants do their jobs. If O has said anything that I like, it's that he's learned a lot from Pete.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:06 am to rintintin
Certainly glad LSU dodged the Kirby Smart bullet. UGA will be looking for a new head coach again in 3 years when they realize they hired Muschamp 2.0
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:06 am to rintintin
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What happens when Coach O loses Aranda? And Kiffin (If we even get him)?
If... and it's a big if... Orgeron can retain Aranda for another two years or so, and if he gets a really good OC and keeps LSU in the top 10 over this stretch (or top 15 at a minimum), then it's likely Orgeron will be deemed successful and will get a new contract.
From this point, the more consistent Orgeron is at getting the program running at a high level, the more likely replacing Aranda and Kiffin/whoever will be relatively smooth.
Even if Orgeron gives his OC and DC a lot of latitude to run their departments, he's still going to maintain a lot of input with regards to recruits, with regards to how practices are run, with regards to how game plans are developed, and likely with in-game decisions and play-calling. So... if he's successful enough to remain head coach after 2-3 years, he'll be in a better position to hire new coordinators with an eye for continuing his system.
The key is always balancing continuity with evolution. Saban has done a good job of hiring with an eye for continuity within his system, but has allowed for some tweaking to evolve and not get stale. That was Miles' downfall. Miles had a decent enough run of DCs to last 10 years despite a string of questionable OCs. But he resisted tweaking his offensive strategy until the offense was irreversibly stale.
Orgeron will be in a similar situation to Miles. He doesn't really need to become an offensive or defensive genius. He needs to settle on a philosophy with his coordinators, recruit for it, then strive for continuity in his hires to maintain what success he has (but not refuse to tweak it enough to keep it fresh).
Easier said than done, of course. But it isn't impossible either.
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