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re: This is a TOP 5 job
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:43 pm to SportTiger1
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:43 pm to SportTiger1
True, and I realize that. Doesn't make me stop wishing him the best.
We've long said on here and everywhere else I've ever seen, including media, that if we just had a coach who would open up the playbook and run an offense our pro style QBs could operate we would would go to the ship. We have that with O. Instead of trying to force our players into an antiquated style of play he lets our OC put players in the best position to thrive. He can recruit better than just about anyone. He is doing right now, every single thing we have begged for for years, except fire BDP. Why does everyone shite on him? Because of his past? We're already seeing him bring our guys up to potential. He may not end up being the coach we need, but I think right now he is getting a lot of unfair criticism.
We've long said on here and everywhere else I've ever seen, including media, that if we just had a coach who would open up the playbook and run an offense our pro style QBs could operate we would would go to the ship. We have that with O. Instead of trying to force our players into an antiquated style of play he lets our OC put players in the best position to thrive. He can recruit better than just about anyone. He is doing right now, every single thing we have begged for for years, except fire BDP. Why does everyone shite on him? Because of his past? We're already seeing him bring our guys up to potential. He may not end up being the coach we need, but I think right now he is getting a lot of unfair criticism.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:00 pm to Rougarou13
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st? We're already seeing him bring our guys up to potential. He may not end up being the coach we need, but I think right now he is getting a lot of unfair criticism.
This is stolen from Caterpillar and sums up O Perfectly and why we don't want him
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You don’t get it.
No one seems to get it.
Ed Orgeron has built and managed one program. Ole Miss. Do you know what happened to the one program that has ever trusted him to build it his way?
At Ole Miss: They were historically bad. He was DRAMATICALLY worse than his predecessor and successor in terms of winning football games. Don’t bring up the fricking stupid Bill Belichick argument who was one the better Browns coaches in that era and didn’t get along with mgmt. Orgeron was 3-21 in the SEC and got worse every year. As the program became more “his” it got far fricking worse. Year 3, starting most of his players, Ole Miss finished the season 0–8 against fellow SEC teams, and 3–9 overall. It was the program's first winless (conference) season since 1982.
At USC: He did not build USC. He did not hire those coaches that called ALL of the plays and had BOTH coordinators to run a system already in place. He also did not choose most of those players. That was NOT his program. Period. He took over USC and beat someone he shouldn’t, had a terrible loss, and walked through 5 cupcakes using energy to pump up his vast talent advantage.
At LSU: He did not build LSU. He did not hire those coaches that have called ALL of the plays. He has one coordinator who is elite and promoted a guy who knows the system already in place that is not his. He did not choose most of these players. This is NOT his program. Period. He has beaten shitty Missouri using energy to pump up his vast talent advantage.
If LSU hires Ed Orgeron as its next head coach, we will not be better than 8 wins a year. LSU fans have been craving an intelligent head coach that matches wit with guys like Saban and Meyer. We have spent years dealing with a head coach that is a good guy, that recruits well, but is not very intelligent, yet people want to do that all over again?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:05 pm to OweO
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Its not for everyone. You have to fact in the state of the SEC west right now.. You have Bama who dominates the west and you also have TA&M, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Auburn, which are not "gimme wins". The only thing close to a "gimme win" in the west is Miss St..
Has there every been a collective of coaches in a single division that even comes close to this group? And the only one that might leave is Malzahn, who could get fired despite making the championship game just over two years ago.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 1:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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PJ Fleck
If it isn't LSU, he will be a major program and will win a lot!
Posted on 10/18/16 at 2:09 pm to pkf4lsu
quote:Top 10 maybe, but not top 5 IMO.
This is a TOP 5 job
Looking at recruiting, fan base, administration support, facilities, tradition, salary, academic reputation of the university, opportunity to win for a sustained period of time, etc I'd say these programs are better jobs right now than LSU:
Alabama
Ohio St
Michigan
Texas
USC
Florida
I'd put LSU in the next tier with Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida St, Tennessee, Penn St, Oregon, and Notre Dame
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:17 pm to Frank Black
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Alabama
Ohio St
Michigan
Texas
USC
Florida
lolno
Posted on 10/18/16 at 5:00 pm to Frank Black
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Michigan
Texas
USC
Florida
LSU currently, is in a better position to succeed than any of those teams. Not talking 20+ years ago. RIGHT NOW, LSU has more talent and spends more on coaches, and has an easier opportunity to recruit big time talent.
Thats just a fact baw.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 6:42 pm to SportTiger1
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LSU currently, is in a better position to succeed than any of those teams. Not talking 20+ years ago. RIGHT NOW, LSU has more talent and spends more on coaches, and has an easier opportunity to recruit big time talent.
Maybe, but my point touched on more than just winning right now.
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Looking at recruiting, fan base, administration support, facilities, tradition, salary, academic reputation of the university, opportunity to win for a sustained period of time, etc I'd say these programs are better jobs right now than LSU:
Posted on 10/18/16 at 7:33 pm to John Cena
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Alabama
Ohio St
Michigan
Texas
USC
Florida
lolno
Interesting. You highlight for ridicule the top three jobs in college football.
Michigan also does not belong on that list. They are an elite name but (pre and post Harbaugh) will struggle to compete against tOSU (which enjoys a talent advantage in state recruiting and has the same level of current prestige/media attention/facilities/support).
Alabama and tOSU are special jobs but they are not innately better than other top 4-8 jobs - they just have the two best coaches in college football right now. The process of USC and Texas embarrassing themselves right now is no different from what you should expect at Alabama post Saban - unless they get another top notch coach who commands respect from powerful boosters and media members who wanted their own personal favorite alum of the program.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:48 pm to pkf4lsu
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This is a TOP 5 job
Top 5 job with a possible opening right now, yes.
Top five including all schools, NO.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:52 pm to Tiger Ree
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Michigan
You mean the Michigan that Miles turned down to stay at LSU?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 8:52 pm to The Godfather
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He did not hire those coaches that have called ALL of the plays
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craving an intelligent head coach that matches wit with guys like Saban and Meyer.
If the coordinators call all the plays why would O have to match wits with another head coach? All he needs to do is growl at them every time they get close enough to hear him.
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