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Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:22 am to roygu
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Maybe you should listen the ex QB McElroy explain how Saban and Kiffen changed the offence to fit each QB's strength before you make your assertions.
I saw it with my own eyes. Several years ago I also saw Les and Cam make similar changes. LSU has been running out of the shotgun, read options, three wide receivers and sometimes four. The fact that they sucked at it doesn't mean they didn't do it.
I think there's a lot of merit to the argument that we telegraphed what we were doing. That, and the lack of good execution, is what seemed to do us in.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:27 am to Topwater Trout
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how much was Miles making at 41
Miles didn't get to Herman's current level until he was about 48. I don't know what your point is, but I probably agree with it.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:30 am to Penrod
You do realize there has been plenty of coaches who failed , learned from their mistakes, then became really good at their job right? I'm not advocating O for the job but he did prove at USC that he he is not the same coach that he was at Ole Miss. I promise you that USC wishes they had retained O as head coach instead of letting him go.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:32 am to kbro
It wasn't that the offense was terrible it's how it was ran and idk if that had more to do with Cam or Les or both but it wasn't the right recipe. When we would actually throw a corner or out/in route we would move the ball and then all of a sudden it's back to bunching up and running into a wall on first down or a end around that loses yards. Instead of keeping it going and run another play to the open part of the field or bring in a player to match up to a line backer for a mismatch. Or when we would bust them for 40 yards running up the middle and then go straight to a shotgun formation pass play. If anything bring the same formation out and run PA but short routes to mid range routes. Or just hit em with LF again and if he's tired bring in DG or Williams. Williams can hold his own and would wear down the defense just as much as LF or DG. It just made no sense how the plays were called. I'm excited to see some change and it really doesn't have to be much of a change. GT
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:32 am to Penrod
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Why would LSU take a long shot when we could get much better odds with a Tom Herman or someone similar?
if he can maintain this enthusiasm among the players for the rest of the season......it's gonna be extraordinary. most of this game is a mental (confidence) game. a lot is talent obviously. but.....if he can keep these kids fired up like he did at USC (with for less talent).......it can be really really explosive with this talent.
in a nutshell........BEBE finally gets his chance with a loaded team. let's see what he can accomplish.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:37 am to Penrod
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The offensive scheme was fine, and not much different from Bama's; they just couldn't execute it worth a damn
Stopped reading there. So wrong. Barely anyone in college or even the NFL still runs a scheme as old school and outdated as Cam and Les did. The two back, single tight end, two receiver set is used a shockingly small amount of time by anyone anymore for a reason.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:40 am to Penrod
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The truth is, Now...we don't have shite. But if we make a great hire we might. I'll bet on this: if Orgeron has enough success to force his hire as permanent coach, it will set this program back years. There's a reason he's 55 and making 20% as much as Tom Herman makes at 41.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:10 am to Penrod
Please stop with all this Les and Saban stuff. The change has been made, Les is gone, now look forward. The future of the LSU football program has now been changed to take a new direction. Why is anyone interested in looking back?
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:18 am to Penrod
Eh les let recruiting slip After pelini left and chavis was coaching the defense. We saw a drop in talent on the DL and we couldn't recruit OL. Saban doesn't do anything crazy. They just whip your arse on the line of scrimmage. You may hang for a half but not a full game against those beasts up front that they keep rotating in.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:19 am to Topwater Trout
The HC needs to do two things well. Hire the right coaches & recruit well. I don't see why O couldn't do those two things.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:25 am to Penrod
quote:Saban's God-like qualities astound me. A mere touch of his hand lasts a decade and extends to players he never recruited or coached. Sadly his God-like touch diminishes as it is passed on.
It wasn't Saban's players Les won with; it was his culture. Saban built a culture of extreme discipline. Players were conditioned to "do their job." That culture didn't disappear with the last of the Saban players. It was passed down by the players and was gradually attenuated until there is none left.
My theory? Les Miles had a great career as the head coach of my LSU Tigers. there really is no other word for it than great. He achieved levels of success here that have never been achieved before and we've been playing football on the bayou for more than a century. He was a great coach for us and a great ambassador for the school. Imperfect - but still great. To attribute his success to a combination of luck and Saban's omnipotent God-like powers over total strangers is fricking bullshite.
quote:I agree with this.
I was, and am, a Miles fan, but it was time. His weaknesses were only getting worse with age.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:14 am to Peliorrojo
JJ
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:18 am to Penrod
I agree totally. It was a lack of discipline. Not a lack of scheme.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:38 am to Penrod
He was tactical in approach, in everything, and he couldn't or wouldn't approach his position as strategic. To some extent I believe he moved to a siege mentality, locked others out, and he doomed himself.
I, for one, am glad he was dismissed and should have been done sooner
I, for one, am glad he was dismissed and should have been done sooner
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:41 am to higgins
You sir get an up vote!
Have you notice offensive trick plays went away and the mad hatter & riverboat gambler label left with crowton?
Have you notice offensive trick plays went away and the mad hatter & riverboat gambler label left with crowton?
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:52 am to higgins
That's true about jj and that's what I always thought but I really don't know what to think anymore after all the qb struggles since then
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 10:54 am
Posted on 9/30/16 at 11:00 am to Topwater Trout
Big Cat Process was ran flawlessly...
Posted on 9/30/16 at 11:15 am to BayouBengal99
You don't run an "end around" when the other team expects you to run the ball ad stacks the line. It won't work. "End around's" work when the other team is expecting the pass.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 11:23 am to Penrod
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The defense was terrible in 2013 and 2014. And in 2015 the defense was manhandled during our November swoon.
Due to early NFL departures, inadequate recruiting, and replacing Chavis. 2008 and 2013 were the only years that the defense was truly bad. Out of 11 years of Miles.
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