- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
I'm worried about Coach O
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:55 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:55 am
I like the guy and I think he does a heck of a job recruiting and coaching the DL. I also like the fact that he loves LSU and he motivates at a high level.
What I don't like:
1. It's being said his position as interim head coach is a week to week job interview for the permanent HC position. This was a big mistake to make it seem this way. He should have been offered the interim position to the end of the season with zero strings attached. Accept or deny but don't make it seem like this is some kind of trial run for him where if he doesn't get the HC position in the end it gives him reason to be let down again like at USC.
2. His current position as head coach makes it very difficult to retain him once a new coach comes in. This means no more coach O keeping the fence up around our state and really boosts up his stock to join a neighboring competitor. I just can't see how him staying on staff will work out and I really would like to see him stay. The new coach may say or change some things that O put in place and those within the organization might interpret this as head-butting or an act of forced subordination which may split loyalties and cause unnecessary resentments.
3. A lot of people appreciate the fact that coach O is from Louisiana and are really pulling for him to get the job. At the end of this, some will believe he has done enough to be the head coach and some won't. Those that will won't support the new guy because they don't think he should be there.
What I don't like:
1. It's being said his position as interim head coach is a week to week job interview for the permanent HC position. This was a big mistake to make it seem this way. He should have been offered the interim position to the end of the season with zero strings attached. Accept or deny but don't make it seem like this is some kind of trial run for him where if he doesn't get the HC position in the end it gives him reason to be let down again like at USC.
2. His current position as head coach makes it very difficult to retain him once a new coach comes in. This means no more coach O keeping the fence up around our state and really boosts up his stock to join a neighboring competitor. I just can't see how him staying on staff will work out and I really would like to see him stay. The new coach may say or change some things that O put in place and those within the organization might interpret this as head-butting or an act of forced subordination which may split loyalties and cause unnecessary resentments.
3. A lot of people appreciate the fact that coach O is from Louisiana and are really pulling for him to get the job. At the end of this, some will believe he has done enough to be the head coach and some won't. Those that will won't support the new guy because they don't think he should be there.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 10:26 am
6
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:57 am to colors_of_kings
Maybe he will be our head coach barring utter disaster.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 9:59 am to colors_of_kings
If he runs the table, sign him for 3 million, get great assistants, and call it a day. If he goes 6-2, he will have benefited from this experience and made his case for another job elsewhere. Anything less than that and maybe he would be grateful to stick around for the new guy.
7-1 with a tight loss to Bama would be the most interesting scenario. What do you do?
7-1 with a tight loss to Bama would be the most interesting scenario. What do you do?
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 10:10 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:05 am to burke985
quote:
Maybe he will be our head coach barring utter disaster.
Exact opposite.
He will not be our coach unless he wins out.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:08 am to Bunk Moreland
There's a lot to think about, next year will be a vastly different team. As I said, I like Coach O on our program but worry about him being the face. I guess time will tell.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:11 am to colors_of_kings
1. It really doesn't matter how you frame the arrangement, Coach O is going to view being the interim coach as a week to week interview. If you didn't want that, make someone else the interim head coach - but that may be enough to drive Coach O off.
2. Cuts both ways. You could make the argument that if you terminated Miles after the bowl game (assuming we would have made a bowl game which while still likely after the Auburn game wasn't a given) and Coach O didn't feel like he was given enough consideration he'd leave.
3. Wait, some of our fan base will disagree with who is hired as head coach? Next you'll be telling me that there won't be clear agreement on which quarterback should start...
Coach O returning next year is going to be tenuous, and that's really the case regardless of how this is managed. There is not a path to replacing Miles that guarantees that Coach O will want to be at LSU next year. In some regard making Coach O feel like he was given a fair shot includes saying the right things - which this is. Telling him that he never had a shot regardless and making an underwhelming hire is going to pretty much drive him off and potentially create animosity between him and the school.
What I'm worried about is that he does enough so that he feels he has earned the job, but he hasn't really. How will he respond to that? If this team plays like it should he'll likely be offered the job. If this team plays like it has been playing the first four games, he'll likely admit he didn't get the job done. If we can hire a big name it may be irrelevant. This is a difficult situation to manage and none of us have been involved in the internal conversations so none of us really have enough information to judge this. I don't like defending the LSU administration, I think the way they handled the end of the season last year was ridiculous, but giving Coach O a chance (and making sure it is a real chance and not just lip service) is the only way to give us any shot that he is on the LSU sidelines next season.
2. Cuts both ways. You could make the argument that if you terminated Miles after the bowl game (assuming we would have made a bowl game which while still likely after the Auburn game wasn't a given) and Coach O didn't feel like he was given enough consideration he'd leave.
3. Wait, some of our fan base will disagree with who is hired as head coach? Next you'll be telling me that there won't be clear agreement on which quarterback should start...
Coach O returning next year is going to be tenuous, and that's really the case regardless of how this is managed. There is not a path to replacing Miles that guarantees that Coach O will want to be at LSU next year. In some regard making Coach O feel like he was given a fair shot includes saying the right things - which this is. Telling him that he never had a shot regardless and making an underwhelming hire is going to pretty much drive him off and potentially create animosity between him and the school.
What I'm worried about is that he does enough so that he feels he has earned the job, but he hasn't really. How will he respond to that? If this team plays like it should he'll likely be offered the job. If this team plays like it has been playing the first four games, he'll likely admit he didn't get the job done. If we can hire a big name it may be irrelevant. This is a difficult situation to manage and none of us have been involved in the internal conversations so none of us really have enough information to judge this. I don't like defending the LSU administration, I think the way they handled the end of the season last year was ridiculous, but giving Coach O a chance (and making sure it is a real chance and not just lip service) is the only way to give us any shot that he is on the LSU sidelines next season.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 10:12 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:12 am to Bunk Moreland
What about 7-1 with a tight loss to TAM or Ole Miss?
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:12 am to colors_of_kings
he knows the score and sounds fine with the situation. no matter what happens it's a great chance to build on his resume. if he can squeak out 6-2 which won't be good enough to get this job, it helps with his argument that he deserves a second chance somewhere.
he could even stay here until the right offer came along.
coaches change all the time anyway.
he could even stay here until the right offer came along.
coaches change all the time anyway.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:15 am to Brazos
Those are pretty good teams right now, even with Ole Miss' two losses, so I think the fanbase would be very excited with that -- especially with a Bama win. 7-1 with a bad loss to Arky would be difficult to analyze.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 10:16 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:17 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
He will not be our coach unless he wins out.
this. I hope Alleva had this conversation with him because I would like to retain him.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:18 am to Brazos
quote:
What about 7-1 with a tight loss to TAM or Ole Miss?
Nope.
This is too big of a job to give to Ed Orgeron, unless you does something SPECTACULAR.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:18 am to Bunk Moreland
By evaluating O based on wins and losses, we are sinking back to CLM evaluations. Yeah, he wins but is it a good brand?
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:20 am to colors_of_kings
Since we're on the subject, how does the interim thing usually work out? You often end up with Bobby Williams, John L, or Bill Stewart. Is Dabo the one homerun out there?
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 10:21 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:21 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:
7-1 with a tight loss to Bama would be the most interesting scenario. What do you do?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN??
Sorry for the all caps, but PEOPLE! Do you know that we just fired a pretty good coach?? We do NOT hire O if he can't beat Alabama. There are two fantastic coaches on our prospect list that have PROVEN they can beat Bama.
This is a big opportunity here, I can't believe how many people are ok with keeping the status quo.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:22 am to colors_of_kings
someone remind me on how Coach O was portrayed in the book Meat Market
also was he involved in any of the sanctions brought upon USC regarding Reggie Bush?
I guess my main thing with him, if he were to run our program, would be in regards to stuff like that. I'm not saying he is a dirty recruiter, but when he is leading a team and his back is against the wall, is he going to revert to actions that will force him to "win at all costs"?
He's about 1 degree of separation from sanctions involving Jimmy Johnson & Pete Carroll. Also Hugh Freeze was on his staff at Ole Miss, who we all know is doing some shady shite at the moment.
also was he involved in any of the sanctions brought upon USC regarding Reggie Bush?
I guess my main thing with him, if he were to run our program, would be in regards to stuff like that. I'm not saying he is a dirty recruiter, but when he is leading a team and his back is against the wall, is he going to revert to actions that will force him to "win at all costs"?
He's about 1 degree of separation from sanctions involving Jimmy Johnson & Pete Carroll. Also Hugh Freeze was on his staff at Ole Miss, who we all know is doing some shady shite at the moment.
This post was edited on 9/29/16 at 10:26 am
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:22 am to Sev09
Dude, I agree. But, if the team goes 7-1 and gives Bama hell, the fanbase will be split down the middle. Especially with that tough Cajun baw at the helm.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:23 am to colors_of_kings
I have similar worries. There will probably be a major controversy if he wins 6 games, some people will want to retain him. He will be really disappointed when he doesn't get the job, but I can't imagine he'll get it unless he does an impossible task.
The level of talent alone won't get us there, this team is not functioning at a high level.
I think our goal for a hire has to be getting someone who can beat Saban more than 1 out of 10 times. Sadly, I don't think that's coach O... Maybe it is, but I'm scared to give him 3 years to find out. If Saban was gone, Orgeron would probably be more than enough.
The level of talent alone won't get us there, this team is not functioning at a high level.
I think our goal for a hire has to be getting someone who can beat Saban more than 1 out of 10 times. Sadly, I don't think that's coach O... Maybe it is, but I'm scared to give him 3 years to find out. If Saban was gone, Orgeron would probably be more than enough.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:28 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:
if the team goes 7-1 and gives Bama hell, the fanbase will be split down the middle. Especially with that tough Cajun baw at the helm.
We've been "giving Bama hell" every time they play us in DV. Who cares if we can't close? Heck, we may have still given them hell with Miles as our coach in November.
I don't really care what the other half of the fan base thinks. One half wants a transformation into a Blue Blood status, and the other seems to hopelessly cling to the risk-averse status quo. They were the same group that didn't want to get rid of Miles last year.
How'd that turn out?
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:32 am to shock504
There's also the media element. Some in the media will jump on the Orgeron bus simply because they have a hidden agenda to keep the team they like more dominant and all of a sudden we have naive fans that think Orgeron should be the next coach because everybody in the nation supports coach O.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 10:35 am to burke985
quote:
Maybe he will be our head coach barring utter disaster.
WTF????
Are you on drugs?
Page 1 of 2
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News