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MLB no salary cap vs NFL hard cap
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:38 am
Back in 2001, Alex Rodriguez signed a contract for $25.2 million yearly
MLB revenue at the time was $3.5 billion
In 2015, Andrew Luck signed an extension for 5 - $122.97 million( not fully gtd) which comes out to $ 24.594 million yearly
MLB rosters are 25 men, NFL rosters are 53 so NFL rosters are 2.12 times greater
However Current NFL revenue is 3.7 times greater than 2001 MLB revenue.
I would argue that a star qb has more impact on his teams success than even the best MLB player so it's not like Alex was worth more to the Rangers than Andrew to the colts.
If you divide Revenue ratio / Roster Size ratio
You get 1.75, so one could assume that if the NFL had no salary cap the top qb would be earning around $40 million.
Even when taking into account roster sizes, there should be at least one NFL player making more than 25.2 million in a $13 billion industry
MLB revenue at the time was $3.5 billion
In 2015, Andrew Luck signed an extension for 5 - $122.97 million( not fully gtd) which comes out to $ 24.594 million yearly
MLB rosters are 25 men, NFL rosters are 53 so NFL rosters are 2.12 times greater
However Current NFL revenue is 3.7 times greater than 2001 MLB revenue.
I would argue that a star qb has more impact on his teams success than even the best MLB player so it's not like Alex was worth more to the Rangers than Andrew to the colts.
If you divide Revenue ratio / Roster Size ratio
You get 1.75, so one could assume that if the NFL had no salary cap the top qb would be earning around $40 million.
Even when taking into account roster sizes, there should be at least one NFL player making more than 25.2 million in a $13 billion industry
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Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:41 am to FitnessDude
Owners and GMs are not going to up and decide to give huge contract increases across the board just because it's "more fair" to the players.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:43 am to CoachKlein
I didn't say anything about that in my post. I'm just illustrating how even when taking into account roster size,top NFL players are getting " shortchanged" while because of a lack of salary cap, MLB players can keep pushing their values up
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:43 am to FitnessDude
What is MLB's current revenue? Projections matter just as much as what is current.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:45 am to FitnessDude
MLB proposed a salary cap to their players. The players response was to strike and cause owners to lose 978 games worth of revenue. NFL players held out and didn't play all of 32 preseason games. If NFL players want what MLB and NHL players have then they need to cohesively force it and be prepared to miss a few paychecks to get it done.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:45 am to lsu31always
Alex contract was torn apart in 2008 but as of 2015, the revenue is 9.5 billion and the highest paid is Greinke at $34.6 millon. Also remember there was fear of another strike in 2002( not 100% sure) so there was no guarantee that revenue would continue to go up at significant levels
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:46 am to FitnessDude
I MUCH MUCH prefer the NFL system. The lack of parity in the MLB is garbage.
Honestly unless you are a fan of one of the teams that spends a crap ton it's not worth even following the MLB. Sure maybe your frugal team might have a good year once in a blue moon, but the very next season the Yankees and their large payroll will come steal every decent value player you had. There is no way to have consistent success if you aren't a big spender.
Meanwhile Dallas and DC spend like drunken sailors in the NFL and it only hurts their situation. I much prefer that.
"He who can spend the most money wins" is a shitty game to play for entertainment value, and is part of the reason (along with the length of games and low scoring) that the MLB is turning into a legacy sport.
Honestly unless you are a fan of one of the teams that spends a crap ton it's not worth even following the MLB. Sure maybe your frugal team might have a good year once in a blue moon, but the very next season the Yankees and their large payroll will come steal every decent value player you had. There is no way to have consistent success if you aren't a big spender.
Meanwhile Dallas and DC spend like drunken sailors in the NFL and it only hurts their situation. I much prefer that.
"He who can spend the most money wins" is a shitty game to play for entertainment value, and is part of the reason (along with the length of games and low scoring) that the MLB is turning into a legacy sport.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:46 am to FitnessDude
Also why are you comparing MLB in 2001 to today's NFL? What was the NFL in 2001?
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:46 am to AwesomeSauce
I agree. They need to prepare a war chest from now and guys need to live like college students and pick up side jobs like trainers, coaches,etc so that they can skip the 2021 season
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:47 am to cardboardboxer
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The lack of parity in the MLB is garbage.
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Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:47 am to cardboardboxer
You realize the Royals just won the World Series right. The Dodgers and Yankees haven't exactly dominated despite 200+ million payrolls. MLB has more parity than all other leagues
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:48 am to lsu31always
I'm comparing how despite nearly 4 times as much revenue than MLB had in 2001, the highest paid NFL players still makes less annually than the Alex did way back when.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:50 am to FitnessDude
MLBPA vs NFLPA.
MLBPA wins every time
MLBPA wins every time
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:52 am to cardboardboxer
quote:
The lack of parity in the MLB is garbage.
I don't have time to look it up but I wouldn't be surprised if there's more parity in MLB vs NFL over the last 10 years as far as
# of different teams winning championships
# of different teams appearing in championships
At the least I bet it's very comparable. The MLB model drives creativity in the front office IMO
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:54 am to FitnessDude
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You realize the Royals just won the World Series right.
And they will be picked clean. Their chance to repeat is almost 0% given how screwed up the sport is.
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The Dodgers and Yankees haven't exactly dominated despite 200+ million payrolls.
The New York Yankees have played in 40 of the 111 Series through 2015 and have won 27 World Series championships, the most Series appearances and victories of any Major League franchise. I don't even understand how you could argue they aren't successful.
MLB needs metal bats and a salary cap or it will be irrelevant to people outside of the northeast and midwest in 30 years.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:55 am to AwesomeSauce
You could also compare the leadership of the unions. The MLBPA had Marvin Miller leading their union for 16 years. Miller had 20+ years of experience negotiating labor management disputes prior to joining the MLBPA and was an expert and master at his field. The NFLPA had Gene Upshaw as their union president who was good friends with Paul Tagliabue and didn't have any type of legal or economic background.
This post was edited on 8/4/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:55 am to cardboardboxer
quote:
MLB needs metal bats and a salary cap or it will be irrelevant to people outside of the northeast and midwest in 30 years.
The west coast teams do pretty well mate
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:55 am to cardboardboxer
Don't worry about what happened in the old days. After the revenue sharing model was put in, Having massive payrolls hasn't guaranteed championships and small market teams are more competitive than ever before
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:57 am to cardboardboxer
quote:Stopped right here.
The lack of parity in the MLB is garbage.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 11:57 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
quote:
I don't have time to look it up but I wouldn't be surprised if there's more parity in MLB vs NFL over the last 10 years as far as
# of different teams winning championships
# of different teams appearing in championships
At the least I bet it's very comparable.
Sure but does a small market team have a chance to pull a Seattle Seahawks and have consistent success year-to-year given the fact that the Yankees or whoever can just poach all their diamonds in the rough the next offseason?
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The MLB model drives creativity in the front office IMO
That is the way it should be in all sports. The Patriots are successful because they are innovative, they trade around draft picks and don't overpay veterans.
The problem with the MLB is a Patriots under the same rules would have had a two year run at best and then Jerry Jones would have stolen Tom Brady for some crazy amount and ruined him.
It is better for the sport if franchise players can be locked to franchises. Maybe even a franchise tag like the NFL could help.
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