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re: Soccer then and now.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:20 am to RTR America
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:20 am to RTR America
Good post.
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:13 am to pvilleguru
quote:Currently more kids are playing that is correct, however, according to the Wall Street Journal youth hockey has seen participation go up by 64% while soccer has fallen 7.1% since 2012.
I see soccer growing at a much higher rate.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:15 am to tduecen
Hockey is an odd one for me because it requires sooo much effort just to get in to it compared to other sports.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:27 am to tduecen
Is that an increase of 220k?
Anyway, I think I was talking about interest in the sport as a whole. I think if you asked who watched soccer at all in 2008 and compare it to now, you would see a huge increase.
Anyway, I think I was talking about interest in the sport as a whole. I think if you asked who watched soccer at all in 2008 and compare it to now, you would see a huge increase.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:41 am to RTR America
I think part of the growth is because you now see a lot of youth leagues popping up in the south when before it was predominantly a northern sport.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:43 am to pvilleguru
Well yeah, I did not watch soccer in 2008 but I will watch it now. However, I will say I do not watch MLS mainly because I do not find it as interesting as other leagues.
I wish ESPN would buy EPL rights so that they could broadcast the games rather than NBS on Saturday/Sunday mornings. Since I cut cable I can no longer watch.
I wish ESPN would buy EPL rights so that they could broadcast the games rather than NBS on Saturday/Sunday mornings. Since I cut cable I can no longer watch.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:49 am to tduecen
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I wish ESPN would buy EPL rights so that they could broadcast the games rather than NBS on Saturday/Sunday mornings. Since I cut cable I can no longer watch.
NBC has done a fantastic job with their broadcasts, non match content and online package for EPL.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:08 pm to kilo
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NBC has done a fantastic job with their broadcasts, non match content and online package for EPL.
Totally agree. And can I just give a couple reasons why a soccer broadcast is better than a football one:
1. No buffoons on set yucking it up.
2. Not as many shitty commercials
Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:09 pm to kilo
quote:I agree, but I can't watch live because they have no app I can download to watch from like I can with WatchESPN.
NBC has done a fantastic job with their broadcasts
Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:20 pm to tduecen
Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:28 pm to baybeefeetz
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As an American spectator sport, on a scale of 1-10 in terms of prominence (10 being NFL), where was soccer 20 years ago, where is it now, and where will it be in ten years?
I will say it was a 1, now it's a 3.5, and in 10 years it will be a 5.
If we're just talking about MLS and the US MNT and WNT, it's still probably a consistent 2 rising to 4-5 on rare occasions.
If we're including EPL and Euros and things like that, it's probably a consistent 4 overall, maybe rising to 6ish+ in urban areas and at peak times. I live in Atlanta, and it's pretty normal for me to go to a normal (not soccer) sports bar and see an EPL game or recently, a Euro game on TV.
We're getting to the point where EPL games and Champions League get time on the front page of ESPN and on Sportscenter. Non-soccer people talk about stuff like Leicester City and other notable events in a generic, "universally interesting sports story" sort of way. I come across more and more people who have started to claim EPL teams even if they are far from avid viewers.
I think all of that is different. It's almost like people are preparing themselves for the day when soccer is truly prominent ("I can't say I watch that many of the games, but I'd probably be an Arsenal fan"). shite like that.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:29 pm to Pettifogger
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If we're including EPL and Euros
We are, and I should have said that.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:31 pm to baybeefeetz
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Totally agree. And can I just give a couple reasons why a soccer broadcast is better than a football one:
1. No buffoons on set yucking it up.
2. Not as many shitty commercials
When I talk to people who aren't opposed to soccer but haven't made the jump to watching EPL regularly, I emphasize how awesome it is to be able to get up on a fall morning, grab coffee (or beer), and watch a pretty much commercial-free match in less than 2 hours that leads me right up to the end of Gameday and the start of CFB games.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 12:35 pm to baybeefeetz
There are some rule changes that could make it more palatable to the american public, but it would be arrogant to think that the game should change for us.
It never will be a top 3 sport in America. Just won't happen.
It's just not as exciting. Like most people don't like watching golf.
I'm not gonna sit down and watch an MLS game, but I will watch when the US plays, and this was the first time I watched the UEFA semis and finals.
It never will be a top 3 sport in America. Just won't happen.
It's just not as exciting. Like most people don't like watching golf.
I'm not gonna sit down and watch an MLS game, but I will watch when the US plays, and this was the first time I watched the UEFA semis and finals.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 3:07 pm to RTR America
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We didn't have a major professional league until 94
Didn't even start until 1996.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 3:12 pm to SoDakHawk
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Soccer/MLS will not pass NHL in 10 years. There is a huge disparity in revenues, following, etc. I can understand the sentiment on a predominantly southern message board. Come up north and that statement would get laughed at though.
Also, the NHL & hockey is growing at a grassroots level nationwide. The #1 pick in the NHL draft this year is from Arizona. More Americans were picked in the Top 10 than ever. An American, Patrick Kane, was the league's most valuable player. The US is putting out some serious top level talent in hockey, something soccer hasn't done. Look at the numbers of youth players in "non-traditional" markets. California is exploding in growth right now, for example. Top it off with the NHL being bigger in Canada than the NFL is here. Yeah, the NHL and the sport are actually on the upswing.
The real answer to the "I see more soccer on TV" is the proliferation in channels and the need for content. Today I see more hockey on TV than ever before, and NASCAR, and college baseball, and women's softball, and lacrosse, and MMA, and the list goes on. There is more everything now.
The MLS may not pass the NHL because it's not a premier soccer league. If the MLS was the worlds best and drew in all the elite talent, the MLS would bury the NHL so deep it would never be found.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 3:19 pm to ohiovol
Here's how I look at it:
Less than 30 years ago, we didn't have a soccer league and hadn't qualified for a World Cup in 40 years.
Less than 20 years ago, we finished dead last at the World Cup and I'm not even sure if all the games were televised.
Now, we get all the games for a different continent's soccer tournament, and the EPL is televised every week during the season. Also, in 2014, more Americans bought World Cup tickets than all other countries outside the host.
Less than 30 years ago, we didn't have a soccer league and hadn't qualified for a World Cup in 40 years.
Less than 20 years ago, we finished dead last at the World Cup and I'm not even sure if all the games were televised.
Now, we get all the games for a different continent's soccer tournament, and the EPL is televised every week during the season. Also, in 2014, more Americans bought World Cup tickets than all other countries outside the host.
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