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re: Soccer then and now.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:10 pm to baybeefeetz
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:10 pm to baybeefeetz
So much ignorance in this thread.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:12 pm to Patrick_Bateman
I watch the Premiere League consistently now. I never played soccer in my life. Played football from age 10 through college. I figure if I'm getting into it, a lot of others must be.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:15 pm to Freauxzen
quote:if the NFL is 10 and soccer will be 8-9 10 years from now, what number will the NBA and MLB be 10 years from now?
This.
In 10 years it's going to be 8-9.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:16 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
But the fact that we haven't made as much advancement as we should have despite kids playing it since the late 70's says there may be a ceiling.
The MLS didn't start until 94. Academy system started later than that and still needs a lot of work...
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:18 pm to cheesesteak501
quote:
There is a certain player on our national team that will probably be our first "world superstar" in the next few years.
Freddy Adu?
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:21 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:No. You're completely off base.
But the fact that we haven't made as much advancement as we should have despite kids playing it since the late 70's says there may be a ceiling.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:23 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Good thing we don't need our best athletes to have a good team.
I watch it, like it...but there is this thing where you feel it will never get our best athletes.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:24 pm to baybeefeetz
2016 Harris Poll
1. NFL
2. MLB
3. College Football
4. Nascar
5. NBA
6. NHL
7. Soccer (Premiere/MLS)
8. Golf
List of Americans that said this was their favorite sport...
Nothing has really changed for soccer except the last two years...but only minimally.
So there's hope but it's just minor things corresponding with the World Cup. The big spike was 2014 Brazil World Cup.
Men’s soccer
1985 - 3%
1989 - 2%
1992 - 2%
1993 - 1%
1994 - 3%
1997 - 3%
1998 - 4%
2002 - 3%
2003 - 3%
2004 - 3%
2005 - 2%
2006 - 2%
2007 - 2%
2008 - 3%
2009 - 2%
2010 - 4%
2011 - 1%
2012 - 2%
2013 - 2%
2014 - 6%
2015 - 4%
1. NFL
2. MLB
3. College Football
4. Nascar
5. NBA
6. NHL
7. Soccer (Premiere/MLS)
8. Golf
List of Americans that said this was their favorite sport...
Nothing has really changed for soccer except the last two years...but only minimally.
So there's hope but it's just minor things corresponding with the World Cup. The big spike was 2014 Brazil World Cup.
Men’s soccer
1985 - 3%
1989 - 2%
1992 - 2%
1993 - 1%
1994 - 3%
1997 - 3%
1998 - 4%
2002 - 3%
2003 - 3%
2004 - 3%
2005 - 2%
2006 - 2%
2007 - 2%
2008 - 3%
2009 - 2%
2010 - 4%
2011 - 1%
2012 - 2%
2013 - 2%
2014 - 6%
2015 - 4%
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:27 pm to CaptainBrannigan
quote:
America. 90 minutes of teams kicking the ball away from the goal for a game to end in a 1-1 tie is not going to go fat in America.
You're an idiot
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:29 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Why does this keep getting mentioned? It doesn't have to be someone's #1 sport for it to be growing. If everyone only watched one sport, then it might be relevant.
2016 Harris Poll
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:29 pm to Ostrich
quote:
Freddy Adu
Freddy Adu was playing in the MLS as a teenager. The person he is referring to is a teenager and is a regular for one of the biggest clubs in Germany.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
List of Americans that said this was their favorite sport...
Such a dumb, dumb way to evaluate things
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:35 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Why does this keep getting mentioned? It doesn't have to be someone's #1 sport for it to be growing
That's valid.
But I think equally valid is showing that it really hasn't changed as people's #1 sport in 30 years is valid evidence that it isn't growing like you think. Because that number would have changed.
And most Americans don't have time to follow every sport.
Another Harris Poll shows that most Americans concentrate on one or two sports...
The biggest of course is the NFL + College Football.
The second is NFL + MLB.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:39 pm to shel311
quote:
if the NFL is 10 and soccer will be 8-9 10 years from now, what number will the NBA and MLB be 10 years from now?
Somewhere between 7-9 as well. Unless you're saying they can't share a level?
It's going to pass the NHL in under 10 years. And once Lebron goes, unless we get another phenom, the NBA will fall a bit. MLB is an odd one. It's the "pastime," but it has too many games, the fastest falling kid population, and it's incredibly out dated in approach.
This will really depend on how the changing population trends break, specifically the Latinos. Will they favor MLB or soccer? I could see it going either way. But honestly, it could take longer, yes. Now is different though, and we have some big stars upcoming, some great coaching talent at the top levels, and the CHANCE to go far in one of the next two cups (barring some *ahem* changes).
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:40 pm to RTR America
No it's not...if you analyze statistical analysis.
You just maybe don't like that theory and analysis.
If the sport is growing, you would see changes...because it's statistically everyone wouldn't keep it as their third or fourth sport...and even if they did...
Third and fourth sports are not for people are not something that moves the dial for them...meaning...others who love it as #1 move the dial...they do not. It's statistically not a quantifiable factor.
It's seems everyone who wants to point to how much soccer is growing, just points to their own fandom or anecdotal evidence and not polls or Nielsen ratings.
I've tried to do that to provide some real perspective against pure fandom.
You just maybe don't like that theory and analysis.
If the sport is growing, you would see changes...because it's statistically everyone wouldn't keep it as their third or fourth sport...and even if they did...
Third and fourth sports are not for people are not something that moves the dial for them...meaning...others who love it as #1 move the dial...they do not. It's statistically not a quantifiable factor.
It's seems everyone who wants to point to how much soccer is growing, just points to their own fandom or anecdotal evidence and not polls or Nielsen ratings.
I've tried to do that to provide some real perspective against pure fandom.
This post was edited on 7/13/16 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:48 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
If the sport is growing, you would see changes...because it's statistically everyone wouldn't keep it as their third or fourth sport...and even if they did...
Third and fourth sports are not for people are not something that moves the dial for them...meaning...others who love it as #1 move the dial...they do not. It's statistically not a quantifiable factor.
It's seems everyone who wants to point to how much soccer is growing, just points to their own fandom or anecdotal evidence and not polls or Nielsen ratings.
Meh. I have season tickets for the MLS, haven't been to a football game in 2 years, and I'd probably still say Football is #1 for me. Football is still clearly more social, I run a fantasy league and am part of 2 more, etc.
But even outside of season tickets, I probably STILL spend more money on MLS, but I still wouldn't list it as my "Favorite League," or something.
So yeah, that kind of poll is massively flawed, but it gets to the deeper issue of sports...Football is #1 because of the SOCIAL aspect. Everyone watched football so it's easier to say, "Yeah I spend more time talking about it and interacting about it. It's also (right now) a higher quality product." This goes or any fans of non-football sports. Football, right now, is a behemoth, and skews the results a bit.
The growth of soccer, right now, is undeniable. It STILL may not be where it was predicted to be, but it was a ton of attention compared to 20 years ago.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:50 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Sorry, it's not valid. You just said on the first page that football is the #1 sport for at least 50% of America. That alone completely skews how popular any other sport is, especially if they can't say what their #2 or #3 sport is.
But I think equally valid is showing that it really hasn't changed as people's #1 sport in 30 years is valid evidence that it isn't growing like you think. Because that number would have changed.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 10:57 pm to Freauxzen
I can understand why people hate the MLS because let's face it, the league is shite but I feel like Americans are really missing out not watching Messi and Ronaldo play. if you watch those two play, you would fall in love with the sport instantaneously.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 11:02 pm to pvilleguru
quote:
Sorry, it's not valid. You just said on the first page that football is the #1 sport for at least 50% of America. That alone completely skews how popular any other sport is, especially if they can't say what their #2 or #3 sport is.
Exactly. He is sure jumping through some dubious hoops to try and back his opinion.
Posted on 7/13/16 at 11:14 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
It's seems everyone who wants to point to how much soccer is growing, just points to their own fandom or anecdotal evidence and not polls or Nielsen ratings.
I've tried to do that to provide some real perspective against pure fandom.
No you havent. You posted a poll that lists peoples favorite sport as "evidence" to support your opinion.
The supporting evidence that the sport is growing is all over the internet if you are interested in honesty. MLS attendance has grown 64% since 2000. Tv revenue has gone up as well for MLS. EPL and Bundesliga signed record deals for broadcast rights in the US. Youth participation in soccer is second only to basketball in this country.
You claim that people are presenting anecdotal evidence because they are blinded by their fandom when the irony is you probably need to take a self-evaluation of your personal biases that have forced you to willfully ignore the mountains of evindece that soccer is growing in this country.
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