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How much longer before Doctors are obsolete?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:27 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:27 am
I know of a company in Europe that developed an automated diagnosis for heart disease. Six years ago, they were testing at a 95-98% accuracy of initial heart problems on the first visit (supposedly well above the average).
Anyway, this was a prototypical approach even then and it was very successful. That got me thinking that, with the rise of AI, how much longer will it be before your MDs are nothing more than liability holders - signing off on what robots are simply telling them?
Fast forward 25 years from that point - will the signing off of diagnosis really be necessary? Will AI and machines be able to fully treat us in 50 years?
Anyway, this was a prototypical approach even then and it was very successful. That got me thinking that, with the rise of AI, how much longer will it be before your MDs are nothing more than liability holders - signing off on what robots are simply telling them?
Fast forward 25 years from that point - will the signing off of diagnosis really be necessary? Will AI and machines be able to fully treat us in 50 years?
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 6:28 am
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:28 am to theunknownknight
Never.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:31 am to theunknownknight
When the NP bill passes? 
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:32 am to Halftrack
Never, next question.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:34 am to Halftrack
just for clarification - I am not saying this is happening now. And anyone who says "never" is being mildly retarded and ignorant of history (from the perspective that anything seems possible with newer tech).
All it takes is a few breakthroughs and suddenly your techies are ruling the world...well...that is already happening but it will be even more of the case.
All it takes is a few breakthroughs and suddenly your techies are ruling the world...well...that is already happening but it will be even more of the case.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:36 am to theunknownknight
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How much longer before Doctors are obsolete?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:38 am to theunknownknight
AI will make lawyers obsolete first
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:39 am to CoachChappy
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AI will make lawyers obsolete first
Another interesting discussion. That is already happening to some degree and I think will happen faster than people realize.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:41 am to theunknownknight
I don't even go to the doctor, I just use WebMD. I've already recovered from cancer, ebola, and an assortment of hard to spell diseases.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:44 am to theunknownknight
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:44 am to theunknownknight
In the 60's we were supposed to have flying cars by now. All we have is facebook.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:45 am to theunknownknight
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:46 am to theunknownknight
LINK
Stanford student builds robot to help people get out of parking tickets.
Stanford student builds robot to help people get out of parking tickets.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 6:47 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:50 am to gthog61
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In the 60's we were supposed to have flying cars by now. All we have is facebook.
Think about what you are saying. We never dreamed back then we would be living in a world where the government could listen in on any conversation anywhere at anytime, where wifi signals could be used to map out people's homes and possessions without their knowledge, where your home appliances could be hijacked from thousands of miles away without your consent, where every typed word and many many spoken words are permanently retained in huge data centers being analyzed for patterns to predict behavior, where anyone can look up anything instantly from anywhere at the palm of their hand, or their watch, or simply be asking the question aloud in their home, a world with head transplants and digital immortality of someones likeness, computers being controlled by thoughts, Virtual reality at home, 3D printing of guns, etc
Nah, we "just have facebook"
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 6:54 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:53 am to theunknownknight
Hopefully never. I don't want to find a new line of work.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:56 am to GEAUXT
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Hopefully never. I don't want to find a new line of work.
other than the liability and care aspect do you see scenarios in the future where the decision aspects are slowly taken away from humans? I mean, it's kind of already happening to some degree with the modern medical tech and software - but I am talking next level diagnosis...and no I don't think it will happen soon.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 6:57 am to theunknownknight
A lot sooner than people think. There are already programs that diagnose much more accurately than doctors so it's the patience interest. And more accurate diagnoses mean more efficient healthcare costs so it's in the public's interest.
This will be held back by healthcare companies and lawyers. But eventually common sense will prevail and we'll be done with human doctors.
I'm gonna say fifteen years.
This will be held back by healthcare companies and lawyers. But eventually common sense will prevail and we'll be done with human doctors.
I'm gonna say fifteen years.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 6:58 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:01 am to LucasP
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This will be held back by healthcare companies and lawyers. But eventually common sense will prevail and we'll be done with human doctors.
Agree. Unless the lobbyist push for and get complete control, aka profits, of the tech. I have a feeling it will be the government with its hand in that cookie jar. And we all better believe the Zuckerburgs of this world have this as one of their top priorities. The first company to automate true positive health outcomes will rule the world.
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I'm gonna say fifteen years.
Way sooner than I would say.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:02 am to CoachChappy
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AI will make lawyers obsolete first
I wish. Consider what a lawyer is: he is a professional who producing nothing yet convinces others that he is invaluable. Even if an algorithm could do the job, lawyers would still convince people that they need them for some reason.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 7:05 am to theunknownknight
When a patient comes into the ER from a MVA and needs extensive surgery for all of their injuries, I don't see a robot having the finesse to accurately fix a humans body. You can program it to do a certain thing but no two people are exactly alike.
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