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What will HS sports look like in 3 years after the LHSAA debacle?
Posted on 6/10/16 at 11:34 am
Posted on 6/10/16 at 11:34 am
There will be a new association. The first shot across the bow already is the new Catholic League football series this fall at the Zephyr Field baseball stadium in NOLA. There is plenty of room adjacent to Zephyr to build a smaller football/soccer stadium (and plenty of parking for both) to host all the new association NOLA schools games, in addition to Gormley/PanAm.
If the new association can attract the Barbes and West Monroes, etc, then at least at the 5A/4A level, that will account for a lot of the total gate in HS ball - especially in sports like baseball. I think the new association will start smaller initially than it will be in 3 years.
Say the New Association pays its umps/officials 20% more than the LHSAA. Where do you think they will work?
Also, the New Association will probably initially be just 3 classes for baseball. 4 for football and basketball. The hardest thing the New Association will have to deal with is public schools owning facilties. In 3 years, that won't be an issue anymore.
That's the tipping point. In 3 years, all the schools that are players in their respective sports will want to be in the New Association - leaving the LHSAA with a lot of schools that have historically struggled with athletics, from a field and fan support standpoint. They'll have trouble finding officials or have enough gate and sponsorships to run a state tournament.
When that happens, the LHSAA will become insolvent, and their schools will be begging the New Association to take them in. When that happens, the New Association will have a setup in place that benefits ALL schools, and the LHSAA orphans will have to abide by it. Then you would have had the association that the LHSAA should have been in the first place.
This is common in life. Sometimes things just have to get so bad, that everything just implodes to ashes, only to rise again much better. Unfortunately, for a lot of kids over the next four years, this will be hard on them.
People need to realize, the IMG's and such are the real competition here. Soon every state will have a IMG type of academy (or more than one), and they will suck up every great player in every state in every sport. Then they will form their own association, and make their own rules. Totally financed by big money Nike, Adidas, UnderArmour, etc. So travel - even by plane - is not far fetched.
Just look at big time travel baseball. These kids fly all over the country - during school - to play in weekend tournaments. I can see football easily going this way with these national "academies". So while we're arguing select/nonselect, others are planning to rob the house while we're arguing in the garden.
If the new association can attract the Barbes and West Monroes, etc, then at least at the 5A/4A level, that will account for a lot of the total gate in HS ball - especially in sports like baseball. I think the new association will start smaller initially than it will be in 3 years.
Say the New Association pays its umps/officials 20% more than the LHSAA. Where do you think they will work?
Also, the New Association will probably initially be just 3 classes for baseball. 4 for football and basketball. The hardest thing the New Association will have to deal with is public schools owning facilties. In 3 years, that won't be an issue anymore.
That's the tipping point. In 3 years, all the schools that are players in their respective sports will want to be in the New Association - leaving the LHSAA with a lot of schools that have historically struggled with athletics, from a field and fan support standpoint. They'll have trouble finding officials or have enough gate and sponsorships to run a state tournament.
When that happens, the LHSAA will become insolvent, and their schools will be begging the New Association to take them in. When that happens, the New Association will have a setup in place that benefits ALL schools, and the LHSAA orphans will have to abide by it. Then you would have had the association that the LHSAA should have been in the first place.
This is common in life. Sometimes things just have to get so bad, that everything just implodes to ashes, only to rise again much better. Unfortunately, for a lot of kids over the next four years, this will be hard on them.
People need to realize, the IMG's and such are the real competition here. Soon every state will have a IMG type of academy (or more than one), and they will suck up every great player in every state in every sport. Then they will form their own association, and make their own rules. Totally financed by big money Nike, Adidas, UnderArmour, etc. So travel - even by plane - is not far fetched.
Just look at big time travel baseball. These kids fly all over the country - during school - to play in weekend tournaments. I can see football easily going this way with these national "academies". So while we're arguing select/nonselect, others are planning to rob the house while we're arguing in the garden.
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Posted on 6/10/16 at 11:44 am to MetTiger
split organizations and the publics will regret that they did this.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 11:59 am to MetTiger
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The first shot across the bow already is the new Catholic League football series this fall at the Zephyr Field baseball stadium in NOLA.
Time out. That's because we don't have enough venues and games were being scheduled all weekend at pan am and Gormley. I believe you are reading too much into that.
I'm not arguing there isn't a major storm brewing, but this is unrelated
Posted on 6/10/16 at 12:07 pm to MetTiger
quote:i really don't see IMG or like "academies" as an existential problem for HS athletics... they might take one or two kids per team per year tops... and only from the best current schools. "Split" schools might love the thought of U-High losing their Dylan Moses types...
People need to realize, the IMG's and such are the real competition here. Soon every state will have a IMG type of academy (or more than one), and they will suck up every great player in every state in every sport. Then they will form their own association, and make their own rules. Totally financed by big money Nike, Adidas, UnderArmour, etc. So travel - even by plane - is not far fetched.
Just look at big time travel baseball. These kids fly all over the country - during school - to play in weekend tournaments. I can see football easily going this way with these national "academies". So while we're arguing select/nonselect, others are planning to rob the house while we're arguing in the garden.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 12:27 pm to Andy Bernard
Until more IMG's come on the scene getting rid of high school sports altogether
Posted on 6/10/16 at 12:27 pm to MetTiger
I blame tournament baseball for all of this
Posted on 6/10/16 at 12:30 pm to nicholastiger
I blame Javi
Posted on 6/10/16 at 12:34 pm to Andy Bernard
Everyone knows its Bush's fault
Posted on 6/10/16 at 1:15 pm to nicholastiger
quote:
Until more IMG's come on the scene getting rid of high school sports altogether
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:09 pm to nicholastiger
IMG's will never destroy high school sports. The cost of running those places is too high. There isn't enough money to run more than a few.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:22 pm to Mr.Perfect
Not really. There aren't enough venues for everyone to play on Friday nights. I live next door to East Jefferson, there are games on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays. Yes, the schedule is congested, but it's only a problem IF you think H.S. football should be ONLY on Friday nights.
This was brokered mostly by J.T. Curtis, because they have no home stadium large enough to hold their district games. When they were playing just AA, they played at Muss Bertolino in Kenner. Bertolino has maybe 300 seats for the opposition. If we (Brother Martin) roll in there, Crusader Band would take up ALL the visitor seating. Forget everyone else.
He had to find somewhere to play.
This was brokered mostly by J.T. Curtis, because they have no home stadium large enough to hold their district games. When they were playing just AA, they played at Muss Bertolino in Kenner. Bertolino has maybe 300 seats for the opposition. If we (Brother Martin) roll in there, Crusader Band would take up ALL the visitor seating. Forget everyone else.
He had to find somewhere to play.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:26 pm to GhostofJackson
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IMG's will never destroy high school sports. The cost of running those places is too high. There isn't enough money to run more than a few.
not to mention the only one in existence currently is still playing decent, competitive games...
American Heritage-Plantation LOSS 7-19
DeSoto 47-29
Bergen Catholic 59-47
St. Joseph's Regional 24-12
Paramus Catholic 28-20
more imitations of IMG will dilute their talent level, and they'll start losing to some of the elite teams
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:26 pm to MetTiger
It will be much like it is today probably with new Commissioner. Nobody will have left the Association as some here have predicted. Class B and C will probably be together (which they should). There will be 5 football classes and 6 other sport classes. Will still have Select/NonSelect Titles in each class.
Rantards will still want to Fire Miles and PM.
Rantards will still want to Fire Miles and PM.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 3:56 pm to GGShin
Private schools are in full panic mode.
Hilarious. If only the private schools would play by the same rules as the public then none of this would have happened.
Hilarious. If only the private schools would play by the same rules as the public then none of this would have happened.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 4:03 pm to ctiger69
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Private schools are in full panic mode
lolwut?
ETA: Privates have been planning for something like this for years. They've actually come to terms with it and have been pretty open the past few days that their future might not be with the LHSAA. If anyone is in panic mode, it will be the inner city publics when they raise hell with the north. They are about to get screwed.
This post was edited on 6/10/16 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 6/10/16 at 4:05 pm to ctiger69
It pains me to even respond to this....which rules have they broken?
Which schools have broken rules? If so many of them are breaking rules, why are they not dealt with by not only the Association, but by the principals of the schools that have been harmed?
Is it ONLY the privates that are breaking whatever rules YOU SAY they've been breaking?
Are all the publics simon-pure? I mean, you don't blame them for anything.
Is this like the charge of racism, it can't be leveled unless the target of the charge is of a certain majority? And the rest can't be charged with it because they're not of a certain population? Thus, the public schools can't be accused because, despite the size of their voting bloc, you support them and everyone ELSE is the beneficiary of the publics' victimhood?
Remember well, that despite lots of things that have happened, we are still, supposedly, a free nation and parents who have the money can send their kids wherever they want. Why does that bother you?
Document. If you can't....well,
"Private schools are in full panic mode." Are they?
Which ones?
What IS full panic mode? I mean are they running through their halls as if their hair is on fire? Or, are you projecting your own schadenfreude upon those you despise or fear?
Which schools have broken rules? If so many of them are breaking rules, why are they not dealt with by not only the Association, but by the principals of the schools that have been harmed?
Is it ONLY the privates that are breaking whatever rules YOU SAY they've been breaking?
Are all the publics simon-pure? I mean, you don't blame them for anything.
Is this like the charge of racism, it can't be leveled unless the target of the charge is of a certain majority? And the rest can't be charged with it because they're not of a certain population? Thus, the public schools can't be accused because, despite the size of their voting bloc, you support them and everyone ELSE is the beneficiary of the publics' victimhood?
Remember well, that despite lots of things that have happened, we are still, supposedly, a free nation and parents who have the money can send their kids wherever they want. Why does that bother you?
Document. If you can't....well,
"Private schools are in full panic mode." Are they?
Which ones?
What IS full panic mode? I mean are they running through their halls as if their hair is on fire? Or, are you projecting your own schadenfreude upon those you despise or fear?
This post was edited on 6/10/16 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 6/10/16 at 4:21 pm to RedPop4
This is a result of Winnfield losing in the state championship to John Curtis. You can make up other BS and there are some minor things, but that was the tipping point and cause.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 4:34 pm to MetTiger
Private schools have the money, alumni and organization to run itself.
The publics are about to get fricked unless they jump on board.
The publics are about to get fricked unless they jump on board.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 4:35 pm to RedPop4
quote:
Not really. There aren't enough venues for everyone to play on Friday nights. I live next door to East Jefferson, there are games on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays. Yes, the schedule is congested, but it's only a problem IF you think H.S. football should be ONLY on Friday nights.
people from other parts of the state really don't get how fun it is to have a few games on Thursday night, the normal Friday night schedule, and then usually one of the marquee games of the weekend on Saturday...
Posted on 6/10/16 at 4:46 pm to GhostofJackson
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IMG's will never destroy high school sports. The cost of running those places is too high. There isn't enough money to run more than a few
Cost high? Did anyone think that 10-15 years ago that pricey local baseball/soccer/gymnastics/etc. academies would be chock full of kids - not all of them top players? Parents have proven that they will pay whatever it takes.
Take that another step. I can see the day, the big shoe companies will identify young talent 7th, 8th grade, and finance IMG like academies and those same kids will be getting "scholarships" to further their "education".
Not all will be top dog like IMG, and much cheaper to operate. They'll be collecting talent and putting kids up in dorms. European soccer clubs have been doing this for years.
Mind you, if you had 3 schools in LA (NOLA, BR/LFT, SHV), that would be, and 3 in each MS and AL, you could have a drivable 9 team league - they wouldn't have to play any HS teams. And those teams would be really good, playing against other good teams - all the time.
3 schools - 150 football players - 30 hoops players - 60 baseball players
That's not a lot of players, and most could still live at home. As a total of all HS players, that's not a lot percentagewise. But if they are all the BEST players, what will be left to the high schools after the studs are cherry picked?
One day, we may say that we didn't see that coming. But Uber is worth billions. 5 years ago, who knew what a Uber was? If the money is there (and it will be), this will may happen. For the shoe companies, it's chump change. Just never, ever say "Never".
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