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Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:36 pm to Old Money
Saddest thing today is kids being swapped at the gas station. Come on people, grow the frick up.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:41 pm to truthteller34
OP
You started a thread maybe yesterday, supporting abortion because of who typically receive them, correct? And if I remember correctly, you mentioned women with no support system, including no man, typically are the ones who get the abortion. You asserted that these types of kids are most likely to get in trouble, and therefore ok to get rid of before they ever breathe air on this earth.
That's ok, that's your opinion, and I think I have at least captured it in a nutshell.
Today, you are wondering why people ever get married, which essentially secures that any child conceived in the relationship has both a mother and father in the same household.
Is it not obvious, given your opinion on abortion-would-be parents should be able to wipe out the children that have no shot to begin with; that an agreement to bring a child into the world, between a man and woman, would give the kid a better shot at turning out to be a decent human?
To be clear, I am saying the "point" of marriage, is to assure that any children you have will have both a mother and father that have taken a legally binding oath to stay together, in the household. No, it doesn't always work out, but oftentimes is the point.
So if you can understand that kids have a better chance to be good citizen with married parents, how can you not understand the pony of marriage in the first place?
You started a thread maybe yesterday, supporting abortion because of who typically receive them, correct? And if I remember correctly, you mentioned women with no support system, including no man, typically are the ones who get the abortion. You asserted that these types of kids are most likely to get in trouble, and therefore ok to get rid of before they ever breathe air on this earth.
That's ok, that's your opinion, and I think I have at least captured it in a nutshell.
Today, you are wondering why people ever get married, which essentially secures that any child conceived in the relationship has both a mother and father in the same household.
Is it not obvious, given your opinion on abortion-would-be parents should be able to wipe out the children that have no shot to begin with; that an agreement to bring a child into the world, between a man and woman, would give the kid a better shot at turning out to be a decent human?
To be clear, I am saying the "point" of marriage, is to assure that any children you have will have both a mother and father that have taken a legally binding oath to stay together, in the household. No, it doesn't always work out, but oftentimes is the point.
So if you can understand that kids have a better chance to be good citizen with married parents, how can you not understand the pony of marriage in the first place?
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:42 pm to TT9
I actually don't have an issue with marriage, it actually suites most people, might take a few times for some. Just tired of it always getting pushed on you by others.
My GF and I were fine without planning on the marriage thing. But now she wants to get married. I just think for women it turns into a status thing. Especially when she watches all of her friends around her get married.
In my mind, my feelings won't change because the government deems us a union. I know it shows commitment. But that doesn't mean shite if 20 years down the road she's banging a co worker, the personal trainer, or for some poor men, her underage student.
My GF and I were fine without planning on the marriage thing. But now she wants to get married. I just think for women it turns into a status thing. Especially when she watches all of her friends around her get married.
In my mind, my feelings won't change because the government deems us a union. I know it shows commitment. But that doesn't mean shite if 20 years down the road she's banging a co worker, the personal trainer, or for some poor men, her underage student.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:44 pm to Sidicous
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this part of the world teenage daughters ARE cows and their families cannot get them married.
True. then they turn to cat people that hate men. Because they had this view they were supposed to get married to prince charming.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:48 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Monogamy is something humans created it's not natural
Well, humans are natural, so anything we create is also natural, no?
But I think like things evolve individually, they also evolve socially. Every living thing has a drive to survive. If not their individual selves, their DNA. So, socially--and
subconsciously--we have figured out that monogamy helps propagate the species. Sure, you can have kids without getting married, but I think it's pretty obvious that your progeny are more likely to be shaped into someone worth mating with--and continuing your genes--if they come from a marriage-type household. I don't think that's a conscious decision on that level.
I do also think that people are much more willing to get divorced in our microwave culture. They aren't willing to put in the work, what-have-you. There are several factors that have led to the high divorce rate. That shouldn't be an indictment on the institution of marriage itself.
I will say, though, that men get fricking hosed in a divorce. Make sure you marry the right person. And you can't give up at the 1St sign of trouble, but at some point, divorces are the right thing to do. Life is too short. But...the grass is not always greener.
Speaking of, why do we have pubic and armpit hair? Surely they aren't necessary for our survival. Nobody has ever offered or refused me sex based on my pubes.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:48 pm to truthteller34
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:49 pm to genro
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Marriage provides a structure for creating families within a society. This is how a society perpetuates itself. Society is the family writ large
It's about families and it is crucial to civilization
Sure I see how it's a positive for a society and civilization itself, but on an individual basis the cons outweigh the pros IMO.
People don't get married and say, "I'm doing this for the betterment of society".
People are much too selfish for that.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:51 pm to dgnx6
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I just think for women it turns into a status thing. Especially when she watches all of her friends around
No doubt, but we are naturally jealous creatures. I think ultimately, we enjoy commitment from each other.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:52 pm to NIH
Good question. I got married when I was 22 and my wife was 20, we weren't the most mature people at the time. How can people at that age make a life-long decision?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:52 pm to rintintin
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but on an individual basis the cons outweigh the pros IMO
Not everyone is as selfish as you..
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:55 pm to Hickok
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Not everyone is as selfish as you..
Tell me how getting married makes you selfless.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:57 pm to dgnx6
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My GF and I were fine without planning on the marriage thing. But now she wants to get married. I just think for women it turns into a status thing. Especially when she watches all of her friends around her get married.
That in a nutshell.
And should we not bring up the elephant in the room in terms of higher divorce rates? No one wants to bring up more women in better jobs not being so dependent on the man for security? The 60's and 70's weren't some idyllic family life for all, women had less options to succeed in the job market on their own.
So while I believe that monogamy itself is a societal construct that articulates stability, and aids in the furthering success of both parties in both income and child-rearing, the institution of marriage itself is immaterial to that practice. It is merely a status symbol, with no substance at all, unless you are doing it for religious reasons. So as to say that while I am pro-family, pro-relationship, those two can be completely removed from the practice of marriage with success still attainable. It shouldn't be looked at as a "you poor thing" for not saying "I do" one day out of your life, especially if you are doing all things right with your SO anyways.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:58 pm to truthteller34
To show how much you love your best friend.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:59 pm to rintintin
You don't have to say it's for the betterment of society. On an individual level you should get married if you have both decided and agreed to make and raise babies together ASAP
This is what I will teach my kids about when to get married
Of course that's NOT why most people get married. They get married because they want to be in love like they've seen in movies and heard on songs all their life and because of "you make me happy" and "you complete me"
Those are actually piss poor reasons to get married and this shitty concept of what marriage should be is a big reason modern marriage (and therefore the family) has gone down the tubes
This is what I will teach my kids about when to get married
Of course that's NOT why most people get married. They get married because they want to be in love like they've seen in movies and heard on songs all their life and because of "you make me happy" and "you complete me"
Those are actually piss poor reasons to get married and this shitty concept of what marriage should be is a big reason modern marriage (and therefore the family) has gone down the tubes
Posted on 6/8/16 at 9:59 pm to rintintin
You def have to make sacrifices for marriage to work. Diff situations each person will have to give in to something or it wouldn't work.
Going back to the creating a community. Yes it's all good. But just because you live with both biological parents doesn't automatically mean you will be successful in life. Same thing with kids living with one or none. You aren't automatically doomed to life of poverty.
Going back to the creating a community. Yes it's all good. But just because you live with both biological parents doesn't automatically mean you will be successful in life. Same thing with kids living with one or none. You aren't automatically doomed to life of poverty.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:01 pm to truthteller34
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Historically, it started out as a way to unite families and to provide children
Building families and by extension communities, nations, civilizations was and is still the point of marriage. Only people from the Middle East seem to realize this anymore though.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:04 pm to PygmalionEffect
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On the other hand, if you are simply living with your significant other, you can take all the deductions for mortgage interest, taxes, contributions, etc. against your income and then the S.O. can double down by taking the standard deduction on her individual return, which is an additional $6,900 in deductions
Some faulty logic here, or at least not well explained. The standard deduction for married is 2x that of single, so there is no double down, and therefore would only be beneficial if your itemized were very high relative to standard deduction. The amount is also 6300 I think.
The rest of your post, and overall point is correct though. Particularly the head of household points, that's the best filing status.
The more sever penalties are usually in the other thresholds, like the new Medicare tax on high amounts of cap gains, where the married threshold is less than 2x of the single threshold.
In summary, having kids is a tax break, not getting married.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:05 pm to Montezuma
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And should we not bring up the elephant in the room in terms of higher divorce rates? No one wants to bring up more women in better jobs not being so dependent on the man for security? The 60's and 70's weren't some idyllic family life for all, women had less options to succeed in the job market on their own.
Of course, I just didn't want to go down that route without fact checking.
Women being more secure, more willing to get out of a bad situation. In the past, more women wouldn't have known what to do if they got divorced.
Divorce isn't looked down upon as much anymore, even by religious people.
Lots of factors. Which is why I say plenty of people chose bad partners since the beginning of civilization. Less and less stay in a bad marriage. At least in our country.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:08 pm to NIH
Serious post
I'm watching it now per your suggestion and holy shite this is making me clinch fists. frick lawyers. I hated them prior, but shite.
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Divorce Corp(doc on Netflix)
I'm watching it now per your suggestion and holy shite this is making me clinch fists. frick lawyers. I hated them prior, but shite.
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