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Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:33 pm to Darth_Vader
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I'm thinking the same thing. Seems like I remember something about them "acting out" that game which at that time was one of the top video games.
I think they designed their own levels with the names of places around their school. Don't know for sure what the Doom connection was, but I remember that being a part of it.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:35 pm to JBeam
that's from /k/
The guy's story lines up with the timeline of the story as he describes the injuries of Michael Johnson and Mark Taylor, two of the first kids shot at
The guy's story lines up with the timeline of the story as he describes the injuries of Michael Johnson and Mark Taylor, two of the first kids shot at
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:35 pm to Dire Wolf
I gotcha. That would clash with some of what Brooks Brown had to say about the shooting. But who knows.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:35 pm to WG_Dawg
The Columbine Killers
The opening sequence of this is showing them being filmed by friends dressed in the coats and attire they were to wear on the day of the killings. It notes "two apparently ordinary teenagers" ironically while they are walking through what looks to be the halls of the schools in these coats months prior being filmed. No one noticed this? How is this "apparently normal"? No one noticed this as being weird as frick and something obviously is very wrong with these two? How did no one say anything or give any warning to an even that had apparently been brewing for such a long time where others seemed to have known about it?
The opening sequence of this is showing them being filmed by friends dressed in the coats and attire they were to wear on the day of the killings. It notes "two apparently ordinary teenagers" ironically while they are walking through what looks to be the halls of the schools in these coats months prior being filmed. No one noticed this? How is this "apparently normal"? No one noticed this as being weird as frick and something obviously is very wrong with these two? How did no one say anything or give any warning to an even that had apparently been brewing for such a long time where others seemed to have known about it?
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:37 pm to dnm3305
All I can say is hindsight. I don't think anyone ever thought they were capable of doing this.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:40 pm to dnm3305
one of their class projects involved them literally being hitmen for bullied kids and shows them coming up with the plans and shooting a bully. Hell, Klebold wore a shirt that literally said KILLER in his last yearbook photo. And then there's the whole class photo where they are in the corner pointing at the camera as if they were holding guns.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:40 pm to ManBearTiger
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Eric Harris was an enthusiast of the Doom series, owning some of the Doom novels and having designed Doom levels under the nicknames "REB", "Rebldomakr", and "RebDoomer". In a videotape recorded before the massacre, Harris expressed enthusiasm for the planned shooting, saying it would be "like fricking Doom." He also pointed out that the shotgun was "Straight out of Doom".
According to a statement made to government "investigators" of the Columbine massacre by then-CHS student David Proctor, who occasionally played Doom with Harris and Klebold via modem, Harris told him in 1999 that he'd created a level in Doom that was Columbine High School. Proctor added that another classmate had told him he'd heard the same
Columbine DOOM connection
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:43 pm to GCTiger11
quote:Again, y'all are holding the Columbine shooting up against modern day shootings. I don't think anyone actually took them seriously. Hell, his own mother said that she didn't go into his room because she didn't want to break his "privacy". They even had a website on AOL that a handful of people knew about. Clearly they didn't take their comments seriously.
one of their class projects involved them literally being hitmen for bullied kids and shows them coming up with the plans and shooting a bully. Hell, Klebold wore a shirt that literally said KILLER in his last yearbook photo. And then there's the whole class photo where they are in the corner pointing at the camera as if they were holding guns.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:49 pm to JBeam
I agree that no one saw this coming, it's just really crazy once you look back on all those things. 1999 was a very different time. All it had to take was one of their parents to peep in their room or even Wayne Harris not dismissing the call he received from a gun store about a part his son ordered coming in.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:52 pm to JBeam
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All I can say is hindsight. I don't think anyone ever thought they were capable of doing this.
Yeah, it is odd for me to look back say one way or the other. I have read a decent bit on it over the years. Part of me believes that they drew in a lot of the bullying they got and it wasn't as bad as the media made it out to be.
having said that, I was 9 when this happened. I went to middle school and high school in a world post-columbine. We use to openly joke about kids being potential shooters and we shouldn't pick on him.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:54 pm to musick
interesting... I was only four or five when this happened. everyone talks about how 9/11 changed everything, but I think Columbine was an equally important factor in shaping the America I grew up in. it was close, at least.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:54 pm to musick
interesting... I was only four or five when this happened. everyone talks about how 9/11 changed everything, but I think Columbine was an equally important factor in shaping the America I grew up in. it was close, at least.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:57 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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I think Columbine was an equally important factor in shaping the America I grew up in. it was close, at least.
I see what your saying but 9-11 has had more of an impact 100x over again world wide.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 2:01 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
I was in 9th grade when this happened. I remember one of my friends not long after in art class joking about someone else who might blow up the school as an offhand comment, and obvious joke and got expelled just for alluding to that fact and the teacher in earshot of the comment.
I also used to wear a duster jacket in 7th grade but after this event I basically threw it in the trash. I wouldn't be caught dead in it. They banned all long coats in our school, and the next year we went to uniforms. It was bad enough I was into rock music and had friends of that crowd.
I also used to wear a duster jacket in 7th grade but after this event I basically threw it in the trash. I wouldn't be caught dead in it. They banned all long coats in our school, and the next year we went to uniforms. It was bad enough I was into rock music and had friends of that crowd.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 2:04 pm to Dire Wolf
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Yeah, it is odd for me to look back say one way or the other. I have read a decent bit on it over the years. Part of me believes that they drew in a lot of the bullying they got and it wasn't as bad as the media made it out to be.
It wasn't as bad as it has been made out to be and what they got they definitely asked for by being intentionally provocative (particularly Klebold), according to their own classmates. Psychologists who have studied them have stated that what references to bullying they did make were most likely done as a means to justify themselves for what they wanted to do anyway. Klebold actually fantasized about doing a shooting with a female accomplice as sort of a NBK thing. They wanted this for various reasons completely independent of bullying and then added that bit as a partial justification later.
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 2:04 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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interesting... I was only four or five when this happened. everyone talks about how 9/11 changed everything, but I think Columbine was an equally important factor in shaping the America I grew up in. it was close, at least
Eh, I definitely wouldn't go that far.
I was 12 when Columbine happened and 14 when the planes hit the towers. Columbine was still very much in the context of the 90's along with Waco and OKC, if that makes sense.
We woke up to a very different world on 9/12/2001. Perhaps my view is colored by having actually fought in the GWOT, but the ramifications of 9/11 are going to last a century or more.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 2:09 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Klebold actually fantasized about doing a shooting with a female accomplice as sort of a NBK thing. They wanted this for various reasons completely independent of bullying and then added that bit as a partial justification later.
agreed. And at the end of the day, not a single bully was killed. They killed a valedictorian, a shy girl who had just moved there, a mentally handicapped kid who was still sitting in his desk instead of on the floor because he didn't know what was going on, a girl they had mutual friends with.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 2:13 pm to JBeam
from jbeam's link
It is hard for me to imagine a world where a school would let that slide. Maybe its because I went to a pretty homogenous private school for high school (still had plenty of odd balls) or it was just a more sensitive world.
Not to say people didn't get picked on but for the most part it was closer to hazing friends. Not picking out random dudes in the hall way to frick withm
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Yup I was one of those kids, well mine was a duster and we never actually called ourselves "The trench coat mafia" or anything, but you get the point. We were angsty teenaged goths. We were very seriously bullied, I remember being shoved in trashcans, having my notebooks for classes stolen (I actually failed P.E. because of this), my friend covered in glitter so that they could call us Gay all day, etc. My friends and I used to plan out things very similar to the columbine massacre starting about a year before it happened. But we never would have done anything, or so I thought.
About a year after columbine one of my my former "trench coat friends" (although he never wore a trench coat actually) started bringing a gun to school and keeping it in his locker. He told us all about it and apparently someone leaked it to a faculty member. The rest of us had discovered DnD and World of Darkness where we still played out the massacre fantasies. That was the last time I talked to him. He had two handguns, a list of kill and save, two partially constructed pipe-bombs, a can of lighter fluid and a couple of empty Perrier bottles (I assume he was planning on making Molotov cocktails), but one of my friends took everything out except for the guns before they got to it.
If it were not for people like OP holding the Police responsible for inaction they probably would not have taken this seriously. I am sad with over reactions too so luckily he was just taken out of school sent to juvie for a couple of years and had to go to therapy or something. The whole thing was very hush hush and no one other than my group of friends and the faculty really new about it. I remember actually being pissed at the school for ruining what I felt was just retribution, or expression or something like that. It was actually so low key I forgot about most of it myself until now. When I think back I think, "Wait we never really got that far did we?".
They hired a full time security team at my school and gave us several lectures on bullying. You never would have thought we were a school that needed it. This was in a nationally accredited school in "the safest city in America" But we did. If it were not for people like OP trying to straighten out the facts that the police and the media, (not blaming the reporters, just the nature of U.S. news) I don't think we would have learned much from columbine at all. Seriously, thank you!
It is hard for me to imagine a world where a school would let that slide. Maybe its because I went to a pretty homogenous private school for high school (still had plenty of odd balls) or it was just a more sensitive world.
Not to say people didn't get picked on but for the most part it was closer to hazing friends. Not picking out random dudes in the hall way to frick withm
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 2:34 pm to Dire Wolf
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Maybe its because I went to a pretty homogenous private school for high school
It's definitely that. What you highlighted sounds totally run of the mill for a public high school.
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