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re: Is the jury really still out on Steele?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:54 pm to mikeytig
Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:54 pm to mikeytig
seems so much like nit picking to get on Steele right now when we have huge issues with coaches like Cam and BDP on the staff. We need to take care of the big problems before worrying about the petty stuff.
Looks to me that Steele got about as much as he could out of these undersized D lineman and LB's a long with an over rated secondary.
Let him get some bigger more SEC sized lineman and LB's before pre-judgeing the one unit on the team that actually somewhat functions.
Looks to me that Steele got about as much as he could out of these undersized D lineman and LB's a long with an over rated secondary.
Let him get some bigger more SEC sized lineman and LB's before pre-judgeing the one unit on the team that actually somewhat functions.
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:58 pm to TheCaterpillar
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We aren't getting torn up because our players are worse than their players.
We are getting torn up because our scheme is atrocious, there is poor execution, and halftime adjustments have not existed.
How many backup and 3rd string QBs has LSU played? 4? This defense has much worse stats and fails the eye test even worse. They are undisciplined and disorganized.
Again, our stats are worse than with Mallveto and we haven't played Ole Miss or A&M yet. People went after Mallveto with pitchforks.
The Steele hire was bad from jump street and it will lead to Miles' being canned.
this x1000.
also, fyi to those saying that LSU is just not that talented, the pumpers who were defending this hire were saying "It doesn't matter who coaches this defense, LSU is so loaded on that side of the ball." well the numbers are significantly worse, and its not where you would expect. as others have said, it is not the front 7 that has played bad, it is the secondary aka "#DBU" who has been a massive disappointment.
so in conclusion, a suspect DC hire that was met with speculation, has now ruined the one good position group on defense, and some of you want to let him stay another year to "work it out"?
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:03 pm to Andre
We've learned to accept less. In 2008 everyone was HOWLING about firing Mallory and Peveto. Now many people believe that it is personnel driven and "he just needs some time to work it out." If LSU isn't going to have an elite offense, they better at least have an elite defense.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:14 pm to therick711
Paul Finebaum said it best the week we were playing Alabama a caller asked if they should be worried because we had Kevin Steele, he said 2007 Bama DC, 2008 demoted Bama line backers,2009-2012 Clemson DC Fired and gave up over 70 points in the Orange Bowl,2013 Director of player personnel Bama,2014 LB's Bama.
That says it all.
Not a head coach and not a coordinator.
That says it all.
Not a head coach and not a coordinator.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:15 pm to Ace Midnight
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Nationally, we're respectable in rushing defense and total defense.
so we went from being DBU and DLINEU to being "respectable"
jesus people.. I bet you think bringing in refugees is a good idea too...
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:17 pm to Andre
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yi to those saying that LSU is just not that talented, the pumpers who were defending this hire were saying "It doesn't matter who coaches this defense, LSU is so loaded on that side of the ball." well the numbers are significantly worse
fricking right.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:19 pm to mikeytig
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The offense is a joke and now Les has no defense to bail him out.
spot on...Chavis saved his arse the last 5 years many times... I dont think Alleva and Miles have a good relationship and this was his way of starting the process of getting rid of him...time will tell.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:21 pm to LuckyTiger
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to those saying that LSU is just not that talented, the pumpers who were defending this hire were saying "It doesn't matter who coaches this defense, LSU is so loaded on that side of the ball." well the numbers are significantly worse
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fricking right.
Exactly... I knew this was going to be a huge hire one way or the other because of reasons i just posted, because Chavis has been carrying les his whole time here... you could say the same with Pelini and Jimbo, Notice no one says Jimbo is under the Miles coaches tree...Matter of fact does Miles have anyone in his coaches tree thats successful?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:24 pm to TigerFan55555
how in the hell can the jury be out on STeele when it's only been one season and he is working with undersized players. We have gone 3 years with the disaster called Cam and you guys are worried about Steele? You guys need to keep your eyes on the ball and stay focused.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:26 pm to boxcar willie
Explain to me why Steele is different than Doug Mallory and Notorious BDP. Until you can articulate a difference in the situations, I think it is pretty clear that Steele isn't the man for the job based on what Les has already done here. Your belief that the defense can't be fixed because the offense should also be fixed is misguided.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:28 pm to therick711
The defense has played so far to expectations.
We knew the defensive line was thin and nothing Steele could do to change that. We have gotten excellent play from them, but they're just not deep enough to go for all 4 quarters when the offense doesn't possess the ball.
The secondary has been a disappointment with blown assignments at least a couple times every game. Some of that has to do with injuries, but much of it is technique.
I think the jury is still out.
We knew the defensive line was thin and nothing Steele could do to change that. We have gotten excellent play from them, but they're just not deep enough to go for all 4 quarters when the offense doesn't possess the ball.
The secondary has been a disappointment with blown assignments at least a couple times every game. Some of that has to do with injuries, but much of it is technique.
I think the jury is still out.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:36 pm to therick711
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Your belief that the defense can't be fixed because the offense should also be fixed is misguided.
I think we need to give Steele a chance to see if the defense can be fixed. One season with players who aren't even his type of players is hardly giving him a chance. Wait until he has full sized D-lineman and LB's to work with before making a judgement. Also getting full sized players is going to help the DB's as they won't have to be playing run support nearly as much and the better pressure on the QB from regular sized players will help the DB's in coverage.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:38 pm to therick711
He was always a terrible hire considering the defensive reputation LSU has had, but the only redeeming quality is his recruiting supposedly. I guess it was assumed since he had never been a DC at a school like LSU with the talent LSU has that he might end up being good if he got good players. I thought LSU's defense this year was talented enough to be top 20 in the country at least....
Seems like it doesnt matter how good the defense is.
Seems like it doesnt matter how good the defense is.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:38 pm to therick711
This is late in the thread, but what happened with LSU's pursuit of Clancy Pendergast? This was the board's No. 1 candidate in the DC search. In theory, it seems like he would have been a great hire.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:38 pm to kingbob
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The defense has played so far to expectations.
this is the worst defense in Miles' 11 years. I didn't realize that we had lowered the expectations for the defense.
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think the jury is still out.
no.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:39 pm to tiggerthetooth
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He was always a terrible hire considering the defensive reputation LSU has had, but the only redeeming quality is his recruiting supposedly.
so then do what saban did after saban realized that Steele couldnt hack it as a DC: make up some player personnel position and let him croot.
just don't bring him back as the DC.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:41 pm to kingbob
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The defense has played so far to expectations.
I couldn't agree more.
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We knew the defensive line was thin and nothing Steele could do to change that. We have gotten excellent play from them, but they're just not deep enough to go for all 4 quarters when the offense doesn't possess the ball.
agreed, but the Dline besides being thin in depth is also thin in size. Need to get bigger faster stronger players on the D then make a judgement.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:43 pm to gwilging
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This is late in the thread, but what happened with LSU's pursuit of Clancy Pendergast? This was the board's No. 1 candidate in the DC search. In theory, it seems like he would have been a great hire.
The story was that they couldn't come to terms. Speculation is that Alleva wanted a budget hire and insisted on the Les Miles clause. That killed Clancy's interest. I can't vouch for the veracity of those rumors, though.
Alabama fricks us even when they lose. Because they lost to OSU, Steele was free a week earlier to talk the LSU job.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:44 pm to Andre
We knew coming into the season that we had the thinnest d-line since miles was here. We knew we had exactly 1 good linebacker (beckwith), and we knew we had a pretty baller secondary.
Well, the secondary was injury ridden and the d-line's lack of depth showed itself against Bama and Arkansas when the offense did nothing.
We thought this was a 9-3 team coming in. They gave 2 losses with games to go. That is exactly performing to expectations.
Well, the secondary was injury ridden and the d-line's lack of depth showed itself against Bama and Arkansas when the offense did nothing.
We thought this was a 9-3 team coming in. They gave 2 losses with games to go. That is exactly performing to expectations.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:45 pm to boxcar willie
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how in the hell can the jury be out on STeele when it's only been one season and he is working with undersized players. We have gone 3 years with the disaster called Cam and you guys are worried about Steele? You guys need to keep your eyes on the ball and stay focused.
who says I dont want cam gone? I think the whole staff should be fired except for Orgeron, Wilson and Raymond, I would put those three on separate contracts to show that I am committed to them staying tigers, the new coach will have to agree to keep them on staff because of ability and recruiting prowess. It remains the same, Steele should not have been hired. There is a reason he has been fired and demoted multiple times.
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