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re: Cam Cameron's career, quarterbacks, and the running game
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:42 am to tgr4ever
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:42 am to tgr4ever
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All this to say, we have a very good offensive coordinator.
Despite all your typing, no, we don't. The object of the game is to outscore your opponent, not to have the league's leading rusher.
yet somehow we have outscored our opponent in every game so far.
By more than 10 points no less
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:42 am to trooploop
Anyone who thinks that LSU pays a OC 1.5 million a year to not be heavily involved in the offense/playcalling is college football intellectually challenged.
Anyone not seeing some red flags waving in the wind over our passing game for the first month of the season, is equally college football intellectually challenged.
While miles is ultimately responsible for all aspects of the LSU football game plan. It's time for cam to get his passing attack operating on more cylinders then it presently is.
Anyone not seeing some red flags waving in the wind over our passing game for the first month of the season, is equally college football intellectually challenged.
While miles is ultimately responsible for all aspects of the LSU football game plan. It's time for cam to get his passing attack operating on more cylinders then it presently is.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:44 am to trooploop
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There are going to be struggles and growing pains over the coming weeks but facts support Cam continuing to move this offense forward very effectively.
That's unexceptable. Tiger fans expect results immediatly.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:51 am to trooploop
Good post. Have an upvote 
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:56 am to moneyg
Football is not about entertainment?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:57 am to trooploop
Helluva post TroopLoop. Certainly proved your football prowess and LSU knowledge without a doubt.
I still believe in Cam and have stated he was the absolute best fit OC available at the time and it was a another great hire by Miles.
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I am no longer as confident in his abilities and skills.
Seems to me that he is a good OC when he has the superior talent. How difficult is it to move the ball when u have the the likes of Randle EL at Indiana and Mett, Hill, Juice and OBJ at LSU?
Rivers, LT, Brees, Gates, Flacco and that Balt D would make life easier for any OC as well.
The bottom line is that we may or may not have an excellent OC. The jury is still out. He certainly took all the credit for 2013 but has skirted major criticism for 2014 and 2015.
John Harbaugh doesnt think he's a good OC anymore. He fired him after he won a Super Bowl with him and during the season which led to a Super Bowl victory. Thats tough to do unless you are close to 100% convinced.
The play calling and the development of a passing game is puzzling. Do we have to pay 1.3 million a yr to watch the game plan be:
1.Hand/pitch it to LF up the middle 25-30 times.
2. Mix in a jet sweep or two
3.Hand/pitch it to Dwill and Guice 5-10 more times up the middle.
4.On 3rd and 7+ call very difficult and low % pass routes that will result in an incompletion and Punt the ball.
When LSU moves the ball against a good defense consistently or can just design a play where a WR is wide open 12-15 yards downfield on a capable defense, Im going to reserve favorable comments toward the OC.
I still believe in Cam and have stated he was the absolute best fit OC available at the time and it was a another great hire by Miles.
But....
I am no longer as confident in his abilities and skills.
Seems to me that he is a good OC when he has the superior talent. How difficult is it to move the ball when u have the the likes of Randle EL at Indiana and Mett, Hill, Juice and OBJ at LSU?
Rivers, LT, Brees, Gates, Flacco and that Balt D would make life easier for any OC as well.
The bottom line is that we may or may not have an excellent OC. The jury is still out. He certainly took all the credit for 2013 but has skirted major criticism for 2014 and 2015.
John Harbaugh doesnt think he's a good OC anymore. He fired him after he won a Super Bowl with him and during the season which led to a Super Bowl victory. Thats tough to do unless you are close to 100% convinced.
The play calling and the development of a passing game is puzzling. Do we have to pay 1.3 million a yr to watch the game plan be:
1.Hand/pitch it to LF up the middle 25-30 times.
2. Mix in a jet sweep or two
3.Hand/pitch it to Dwill and Guice 5-10 more times up the middle.
4.On 3rd and 7+ call very difficult and low % pass routes that will result in an incompletion and Punt the ball.
When LSU moves the ball against a good defense consistently or can just design a play where a WR is wide open 12-15 yards downfield on a capable defense, Im going to reserve favorable comments toward the OC.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:01 am to trooploop
It seems like Cam hasn't made enough of an adjustment in coaching between college and NFL athletes. You can install an offense in an NFL program and expect it to be executed by professional football players who do it as a job, but execution is far from a given in college. You get great execution from the future NFL players, but poor execution from the typical college player.
There is something to be said for a simple approach with perfect execution over a sophisticated approach with questionable execution.
That said, if this team can learn to execute this offense, it will be scary good.
There is something to be said for a simple approach with perfect execution over a sophisticated approach with questionable execution.
That said, if this team can learn to execute this offense, it will be scary good.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:10 am to Rex
Football, as with any sport, is ultimately about one thing and one thing only. WINNING!
No coach, that I can recall, has ever been fired because he didn't entertain the fans enough. They have been fired because they didn't win enough.
No coach, that I can recall, has ever been fired because he didn't entertain the fans enough. They have been fired because they didn't win enough.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:16 am to Rex
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The object of the game is to outscore your opponent while entertaining your fans, not to have the league's leading rusher.
No it is not. Not even a little bit.
Its to win. Period.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:06 pm to LSUANDY25
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Seems to me that he is a good OC when he has the superior talent. How difficult is it to move the ball when u have the the likes of Randle EL at Indiana and Mett, Hill, Juice and OBJ at LSU?
Rivers, LT, Brees, Gates, Flacco and that Balt D would make life easier for any OC as well.
That can certainly be an argument against him but the fact is there has been development of these players. He didn't have Brees, Rivers, or Flacco after they had been in the NFL for 5-7 years. As I wrote earlier, his average starting QB when he was a coordinator in the NFL was 3.2 years.
The other thing that Cam hasn't had as a coordinator is multiple quarterbacks who have flopped. Even Tyrod Taylor, whom he really helped develop in Baltimore, is a starting NFL quarterback now. How many other coaches have QBs flop time and time again?
Antonio Gates was a basketball player in college. He came to San Diego when Cam was there and developed into a great player. Cam certainly can't take all of the credit by any means but he obviously played a significant role in his development.
Ray Rice went had 1776, 2068, and 1621 yards from scrimmage in his final three years with Cam. The first year after Cam was fired he had 981 total yards from scrimmage and, as I mentioned in my initial post, it wasn't because Flacco improved.
Tomlinson went from 1,815 yards rushing and 28 touchdowns in Cam's last season in San Diego to 1,474 and 15 TDs the next year on only 33 fewer carries.
Four of the top 5 receiving seasons (receiving yards) in Antonio Gates's career were with Cam as his OC.
Drew's progression went from 17TD:16INT, to 11TD:15INT, to 27:7INT. His first two seasons in New Orleans were very similar to his final two years in San Diego and then he really took off. Brees has had more than 400 pass attempts in a season 6 times in New Orleans. He most in San Diego was 356.
Philip Rivers last season with Cam in San Diego he attempted 460 passes. He attempted the same exact number of passes the very next season under Norv Turner. Completions were almost identical, yardage was similar (200 more yards under Cam), TDs were 22:21 but INTs increased from 9 to 15.
Randle El's touchdown ratio as a freshman was 6TDs:11 INTs. His second season it improved to 17TD:7INTs. Randle El was ridiculous though. Incredible college football player and one of the most exciting college players I've ever witnessed.
My best argument for development/scheming for running back success is Ronnie Brown. Brown only rushed for more than 1,000 yards at Auburn (1,008 in 2002). With Cam in Miami, Ronnie Brown played only seven games. Because of injury, he had 122 carries fewer in Cam's only season there than he did the year prior but had only one few touchdown and only six fewer catches. If you projected his seven game stats over the entire season he would have rushed for 1,376 yards and had 890 yards receiving.
Again, all that to say, yes, Cam has been blessed with some great players. At some point you have to say that he is playing a role in developing these guys and putting them in position to succeed. If not he's just the luckiest guy on the face of the earth.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:14 pm to Rex
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Football is not about entertainment?
I can understand your confusion.
Most people find winning entertaining.
Most people don't dress up as dogs for entertainment.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:15 pm to Rex
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:21 pm to trooploop
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The EMU game was as vanilla as I've ever seen
Not on offense. We ran zone stretch and zone read a lot in the first half which we don't run that often. We typically run primarily power and iso.
In the second half, we ran a lot of power and iso and it's why we were able to absolutely destroy them on the the ground.
I feel like they used this game to work on different running plays than normal and open up the passing game. I think they were planning on doing this against McNeese but lost that opportunity.
Now, defense was vanilla as all get out. We sat in Cover 2 all night and didn't run many blitzes.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:22 pm to trooploop
you are going to fall on deaf ears, these fans have hated les since 2005, nothing will change that.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:22 pm to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
Let's be clear....Cam got fired and then the Ravens went on to win the Super Bowl. The scheme doesn't work as far as developing an effective passing offense. It's hard to have a worse one based on what we can gather statistically this year and last. He's a qb coach with a system that is not qb friendly at all. And yes, this is Cam's offense.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:24 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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We were struggling offensively before Cam got here and still are running basically the same offense since Jimbo left.
Yeah, I remember the year after Jimbo left like it was yesterday. We ran 20% of our plays out of the shotgun that year.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:26 pm to Rex
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And it's silly when one considers how much work we need in...giving receivers actual tactile feel of the ball once in a while
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing it is still a foolish thing.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:28 pm to Rex
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Football is not about entertainment?
It's last on a very long list of things that football is about.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:30 pm to easy money
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He's a qb coach with a system that is not qb friendly at all.
Brees - Pro Bowl under Cam
Rivers - Pro Bowl under Cam
Randle El - first-team All-American under Cam
Flacco - Lee Evans end zone drop away from Super Bowl under Cam
Gus Frerotte - Pro Bowl under Cam
I don't know. Seems like his QBs have had decent success for a system "not friendly to QBs."
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:31 pm to easy money
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Let's be clear....Cam got fired and then the Ravens went on to win the Super Bowl. The scheme doesn't work as far as developing an effective passing offense. It's hard to have a worse one based on what we can gather statistically this year and last. He's a qb coach with a system that is not qb friendly at all. And yes, this is Cam's offense.
You're ignoring the decline in 2014 before Caldwell took the Lions job
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