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Why did humans choose family-centered society as the way of living?

Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:05 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:05 pm
Rather than a system where children aren't seen as "belonging" to the two people that made them? What are the benefits of a system where parents maintain and raise children rather than the community?

Obviously this method has proven to be wildly successful, but why exactly? What would a society look like where parenthood wasn't as valued?
Posted by Larry
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:06 pm to
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Rather than a system where children aren't seen as "belonging" to the two people that made them? What are the benefits of a system where parents maintain and raise children rather than the community?

Obviously this method has proven to be wildly successful, but why exactly? What would a society look like where parenthood wasn't as valued?


Are you living in America today?
Posted by dred24
In the south
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:06 pm to
I'd rather keep the kids in one place and pass the women around.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:06 pm to
evolution

protection of genetics and all that
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:08 pm to
Support system, raising kids who hopefully won't tell you to frick off when you get old and unable to take care of yourself. In some cultures, it's the norm to have multiple generations living under the same roof permanently.
Posted by ksayetiger
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:10 pm to
Because that is the way God said to do it
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:10 pm to
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evolution

protection of genetics and all that


Yeah, this stuff.

We are a species that relies on our intelligence as a competitive advantage. In part as a consequence we have a particularly long development/childhood period. We are also social animals that rely on community.

I'm sure there are multiples of books you could read on the subject. This is part of the short of it.
Posted by Gr8t8s
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:11 pm to
Socrates argued that in the creation of the perfect state, all children should be community property and not "belong" to any one. frick that noise.
Posted by Bwana Whiskey
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:11 pm to
I'd rather roam the towns and country laying women then moving on like a lion. But diseases and all that shite.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:12 pm
Posted by Cruiserhog
Little Rock
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:11 pm to
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What would a society look like where parenthood wasn't as valued?


detroit, baltimore, st louis, south los angeles
Posted by cattus
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:12 pm to
I didn't.
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:12 pm to
I see what you are fishing for.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:14 pm to
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detroit, baltimore, st louis, south los angeles





You forgot the most obvious, new orleans
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:15 pm to
i had to go pull one of my fancy books. for some reason kindle wouldn't let me copy and paste the stuff here, so i went to wiki

Kin Selection

quote:

Kin selection is the evolutionary strategy that favours the reproductive success of an organism's relatives, even at a cost to the organism's own survival and reproduction. Kin altruism is altruistic behaviour whose evolution is driven by kin selection. Kin selection is an instance of inclusive fitness, which combines the number of offspring produced with the number an individual can produce by supporting others, such as siblings.


Posted by Asgard Device
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:16 pm to
Humans used a polygamous system for many thousands of years. A strong male had multiple women, and many children. Weak males were cast away from the group. Once humans developed agriculture and politics, we started coming up with ways to decide who gets what and when.

A 1 man to 1 woman ratio was to spread the wealth, so to speak. Women were essentially property until recent history.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 9:19 pm
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:17 pm to
Family units predate civilization. If parent's hadn't raised their kids, no one would have.

Communists want kids to be raised by government institutions, so they can teach them "right thinking," and of course, so they can molest them.
Posted by tigerfan in bamaland
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:18 pm to
Takes way too long for humans to develop for any other method to succeed. Biology.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:19 pm to
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Bill Hamilton, an Oxford biologist who tragically died of Malaria in 2000 while on an expedition to Congo to test his theory about the origins of HIV, solved this cross-species puzzle. Hamilton did so by moving the level at which selection operates, from the organism (as per Darwin's theorizing) to a gene-centric perspective. In other words, if the gene is the most fundamental unit on which selection pressures operate, then kin-based altruism makes perfect sense. This mechanism known as kin selection was formally described in highly sophisticated mathematical detail in a paper Hamilton published in 1964.2 Other evolutionary scientists had intuited this fundamental insight, albeit using less rigorous formalisms prior to Hamilton's seminal work. This was the case with the British geneticist J. B. S. Haldane, who had famously remarked when asked if he would save a brother who was drowning: “No, but I would to save two brothers or eight cousins.”3 Since brothers share on average half their genes, and first cousins share one-eighth of theirs, Haldane was providing the “genetic break-even” points that would justify his laying down his life (from a gene-centric perspective).

Kin selection is related to a broader mechanism known as inclusive fitness. In biological terms, fitness refers to the extension of one's genes. The most obvious way to increase one's fitness is to have children, and individuals can augment their direct fitness via reproduction (reproductive fitness). On the other hand, individuals can also boost the propagation of their genes by investing in those with whom they are related. If your daughter, your grandson, or your nephew were to have a child, this child would be indirectly increasing your own fitness. Hence, this form of indirect fitness is part and parcel of the more general term known as inclusive fitness.

One direct implication of kin selection is that organisms including humans will provide differential investments to kin versus nonkin, as well as providing greater investment to those who are closer kin.4 Numerous studies have indeed established this fact, several of which are relevant to the consumer (spending) context. For example, support for higher education is greater for biological children as compared with stepchildren (when comparing between families in which both parents are biological with families in which one parent is a stepparent).5 Not surprisingly, stepsiblings are less educated than biological children within a given family.6 The distribution of hypothetical lottery earnings is correlated to genetic relatedness and is shaped by the extent (if any) of paternity uncertainty of a given relationship


that is the passage i was trying to copy. from The Consuming Instinct: What Juicy Burgers, Ferraris, Pornography, and Gift Giving Reveal About Human Nature
by Gad Saad
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:20 pm to
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detroit, baltimore, st louis, south los angeles




You forgot the most obvious, new orleans



Both of you left out Chicago.

4 people were murdered there as I was typing this.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 9/4/15 at 9:23 pm to
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Support system, raising kids who hopefully won't tell you to frick off when you get old and unable to take care of yourself


Wouldn't be an evolutionary driver, because the old and unable to take care of themselves do not procreate.

Rather, society evolved into familial form to protect the young so that they could grow up and frick each other and pass on the same familial genes.
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