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re: Braves trade Wood, Peraza for Olivera +, UPDATE: Teheran could be traded too
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:44 am to SwampDonks
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:44 am to SwampDonks
Well, we got a huge discount on Olivera so that is why there is not more. We will see, but I am excited to see Olivera play for us.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:46 am to crimsonian
OH NO!! He said I looked immature wearing a backwards hat! Anyways, back to baseball. Does anyone know of any timeline for this deal to be done? I mean, I would assume this has to get done in time for the Dodgers to flip their returning pieces into a run for Price.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:49 am to SwampDonks
Yeah, I think my disappointment is surrounding not also getting De Leon of Holmes OR unloading BABIP.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:49 am to USAF Hart
I expect it to be done soon. Only thing holding it up is a review of Olivera's medical records.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:50 am to RollDatRoll
The biggest concern is his elbow correct? Or are there more concerns?
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:51 am to USAF Hart
Out with hamstring. Elbow is concern though.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 9:53 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:57 am to RollDatRoll
I don't even care anymore. Let's just get this over with.
If we go and sign a LF bat and a top end starter in the offseason we can be competitive in the division next year
If we go and sign a LF bat and a top end starter in the offseason we can be competitive in the division next year
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:59 am to Rig
Has there been any further rumblings regarding the rumored Teheran trade? I've been scouring twitter looking for leads, but haven't seen anything.
Edit: Per Doug O'Brien the Astros are very interested in Teheran after missing out on Hamels.
Edit: Per Doug O'Brien the Astros are very interested in Teheran after missing out on Hamels.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 10:03 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:17 am to USAF Hart
I think we should hang on to Teheran. But if traded he should get a huge haul due to his contract.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:19 am to motorbreath
I think most believe he is not the same anymore and is ready for a surgery.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:21 am to RollDatRoll
Alright,it's the morning after, time to reasonably discuss this deal. As I told Okie via text last night (we text every night, we are seriously like bffs,one doesn't drink, the other doesn't smoke, the Abbot and Castillo of the ATL thread). Hart and Cop have ten times the information that we have access to. They know more than us.
Clearly, they do not see Wood as part of the rotation in 2017. I mentioned to Castillo last night that his delivery does bring injury concerns. And he has lost over 2 mph on his fastball this year. His advanced stats aren't as good as they have been in the past.
Peraza is young and unproven. If we thought he was as good as most on this board do, he would have been up. Kid is getting on base at a .319 clip despite hitting .295. That is a disturbing sign.
Johnson and luis? Who cares, they were getting shipped off tomorrow anyway.
Olivera is the crown jewel here. The Braves really coveted him this last off-season and bid over 40 mil for his services. They are going to get him for 5.5 years at 31.5 mill. Rio ruiz hasn't really panned out as we had hoped. We don't have our 3b of the future in our system right now.
Paco has been on of the better relievers in the league since his call up in 2012.
Bird is a live arm who approaches triple digits, always willing to gamble on those.
The wildcard here is the draft pick. Adding 1.8 mil to our bonus pool is huge and shouldn't be understated.
Overall, think this is a fair trade. I am willing to give Hart the benefit of the doubt after all his work thus far.
Clearly, they do not see Wood as part of the rotation in 2017. I mentioned to Castillo last night that his delivery does bring injury concerns. And he has lost over 2 mph on his fastball this year. His advanced stats aren't as good as they have been in the past.
Peraza is young and unproven. If we thought he was as good as most on this board do, he would have been up. Kid is getting on base at a .319 clip despite hitting .295. That is a disturbing sign.
Johnson and luis? Who cares, they were getting shipped off tomorrow anyway.
Olivera is the crown jewel here. The Braves really coveted him this last off-season and bid over 40 mil for his services. They are going to get him for 5.5 years at 31.5 mill. Rio ruiz hasn't really panned out as we had hoped. We don't have our 3b of the future in our system right now.
Paco has been on of the better relievers in the league since his call up in 2012.
Bird is a live arm who approaches triple digits, always willing to gamble on those.
The wildcard here is the draft pick. Adding 1.8 mil to our bonus pool is huge and shouldn't be understated.
Overall, think this is a fair trade. I am willing to give Hart the benefit of the doubt after all his work thus far.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:23 am to lsu31always
People always want to scream highway robbery after any trade but the vast majority are pretty even when you look at it objectively. I think it's best for the Braves in the long term.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:26 am to lsu31always
I felt the same way this morning. If Olivera is who they think he is, then that will be a big piece for us over the next 5 years.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:32 am to quail man
If Wood's periphrals keep declining then we have Jair Jurrjens/Mike Minor/Tommy Hanson all over again. Him being controllable through 2019 won't matter if he's having TJ round 2 before 2017. If Peraza doesn't get on base more often then we have a less powerful Jace Peterson that walks less.
Not saying any of that will happen. But these "what-ifs" work both ways.
Not saying any of that will happen. But these "what-ifs" work both ways.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:36 am to lsu31always
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Overall, think this is a fair trade. I am willing to give Hart the benefit of the doubt after all his work thus far.
31 done lost his mind. I think it's fair to say that we can see the reasoning behind the deal because it's true. We needed a 3rd baseman in a bad way and we certainly paid for it. But that doesn't mean you diminish the value of what was given away. You say Peraza is unproven but so is Olivera. His power may not be there at the big league and if it's not, there's a big issue.
I can see why Hart did it, but that doesn't mean he didn't desperately overpay.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:38 am to SwampDonks
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Yeah that's my only issue. Olivera and Paco are fine. But we should have at least been able to get De Leon or Holmes I would have thought. That would have changed everything.
Yep, my feelings exactly. If this trade involved us getting De Leon, Holmes, or Austin Barnes instead of Bird I'd be content with it.
Olivera himself is exactly the sort of bat we needed to take a chance on for 3B, though his elbow issues and age are pretty big concerns.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:41 am to lsu31always
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Clearly, they do not see Wood as part of the rotation in 2017. I mentioned to Castillo last night that his delivery does bring injury concerns. And he has lost over 2 mph on his fastball this year. His advanced stats aren't as good as they have been in the past.
Regardless of what you think might happen to Wood down the line healthwise, you don't make trades based on a hypothesis, you make trades based on what the player is worth right now. And right now Wood is a low end #2/high end #3 start under team control through the 2019 season.
I have no issues moving Wood or Julio, both have poor deliveries that will likely lead to injury issues down the line. But you don't undersell their value big time just because you think they may get hurt down the line.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:53 am to auyushu
I would venture to say that 90% of trades made are based off of "what ifs". Especially in baseball. if trades weren't based off of what ifs, you would see very little trades in MLB. Think about all of prospects that have never seen a pitch in the majors. Those are indeed trades based off "what ifs". What if the Braves took Van Slyke instead of Chipper Jones. What if the Braves had kept Feliz, Andrus, etc. instead of the half year rental for Texiera?
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:53 am to auyushu
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But you don't undersell their value big time just because you think they may get hurt down the line.
That may be changing. We're talking about a young pitcher that has already had TJ surgery and his velocity is already sinking south of 90 MPH. He's not even 25 and he's moving all over the mound to give hitters different looks in the wake of career worst K% and H/9.
We're not talking about sandy koufax here
It's easy to armchair as a fan but the Dodgers have access to these stats too. It's not a slam dunk trade for either team
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:56 am to SwampDonks
Hey yo tumbledickweed, Wood is Jurrjens 2.0. Gfy
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