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re: Dell Demps Q&A(Pelicans.com)
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:40 am to MrPel
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:40 am to MrPel
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What about the bad things he does that don't turn up on the stat sheet?
Dropped passes that lead to lost possessions, fumbled balls out of bounds or right into the defenders hands, and rim rejections
These do show up in the stat sheets, though
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:42 am to Hester Carries
I'm not trying to write a novel. I know we would have to move a piece (ryno tyreke or jrue) to sign a center to max money. I'm not gonna type a MM 5,000 word summary of what I think could have happened, I just know what should have happened and that didn't include resigning Asik. We are gonna be paying for a center who is very out of shape, doesn't fit into a high tempo offense, and somebody who will be benched at the end of EVERY game. Sorry, I can't get excited about a player that we know were gonna have to sit or else he'd be a huge liability. When I think about winning games I think about the team in the 4th Quarter, and Asik won't even see the floor so how should that excite me?
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:42 am to MrPel
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Give me Koufas, Lopez, Kanter, Tyson chandler to name a few
None of those were realistic options given our cap situation even if we would have let Asik walk.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:43 am to MrPel
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When he fumbles the ball out of bounds, into the defense, or when it deflects off his hands, it DOES NOT appear on the stat sheet, bc if it did Asik would average over 5 TOs a game and less than 8 points.
bullshite. You're talking out of your arse now.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:45 am to Galactic Inquisitor
No, they most definitely do not. There were instances every week where Asik ended up with 2-3 TO's on the stat sheet but he had many more in the form of dropped passes and fumbles. A dropped pass or a fumble is not a TO statistically if the player doesn't have possession. If holiday feeds Asik, the ball deflects off his hands and he loses it, that's not a TO. If Asik catches and turns or even takes a dribble then loses it, then that is a TO on the stat sheet. It's about FULL possession. Asik is lucky to have full possession of a ball and when he does that's when we get a TO or a horrible flip shot.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:46 am to MrPel
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I'm not trying to write a novel
Good, because it would be terrible and full of plot holes.
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I know we would have to move a piece (ryno tyreke or jrue) to sign a center to max money. I'm not gonna type a MM 5,000 word summary of what I think could have happened, I just know what should have happened and that didn't include resigning Asik
So, you can't describe a better option? That's what I'm reading here.
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We are gonna be paying for a center who is very out of shape, doesn't fit into a high tempo offense, and somebody who will be benched at the end of EVERY game.
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Sorry, I can't get excited about a player that we know were gonna have to sit or else he'd be a huge liability. When I think about winning games I think about the team in the 4th Quarter, and Asik won't even see the floor so how should that excite me?
frick it, they should just stop playing 4 quarters and play a game of 21 instead....
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:47 am to Galactic Inquisitor
You can't actually be serious. Go watch any 2-3 games, from start to finish. Tell me how many times Asik drops or fumbled the ball and tell me how many TO's he had. It's about Full possession. He can't catch. It's hard for him to have full possession.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:49 am to MrPel
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If holiday feeds Asik, the ball deflects off his hands and he loses it, that's not a TO.
Yes, it most certainly is.
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Asik is lucky to have full possession of a ball and when he does that's when we get a TO or a horrible flip shot.
A horrible flip shot resulting in .517 shooting?
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:53 am to MrPel
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You can't actually be serious. Go watch any 2-3 games, from start to finish. Tell me how many times Asik drops or fumbled the ball and tell me how many TO's he had. It's about Full possession. He can't catch. It's hard for him to have full possession.
You are arguing that he causes 5 TO/g. He is given 1.3. That means that he is the cause of 3.7 other TO/G that don't get credited to him. Sorry, but you are wrong and I'm not going to chase a rabbit to prove it. Keep screaming until you suffocate, Alejandro.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:53 am to Galactic Inquisitor
So when players make a bad pass, somebody tries to save it, and they end up touching it, and it deflects out of bounds, that's a TO on the player who tried to save the pass? Lol have you ever played the sport before? No.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:54 am to MrPel
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doesn't fit into a high tempo offense
This is a lie and you know it
Want me to call our rocket fans?
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:55 am to MrPel
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So when players make a bad pass, somebody tries to save it, and they end up touching it, and it deflects out of bounds, that's a TO on the player who tried to save the pass? Lol have you ever played the sport before? No.
Nobody is arguing that, you imbecile.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:02 am to Galactic Inquisitor
You are. Asik is the player that touches the ball last so it must be as TO since his hand touched it last. Exact same Story with a player trying to save a bad pass who touches it last without full possessions, it's not a TO you dumb MF. Your actually dumb. If Asik takes 1 dribble or even holds the ball for a half second, THEN loses it, it's a TO, bc he had possession of the basketball, a sport you know little about.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:09 am to MrPel
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Exact same Story with a player trying to save a bad pass who touches it last without full possessions, it's not a TO you dumb MF
It is absolutely a TO. I'm not going to fix your argument for you, though.
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Your actually dumb.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 9:11 am
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:13 am to LosLobos111
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Bullet Points:
Stressed how important getting QPon/DC/Cole during the season were. Says they're pretty much the FA signings this year.
Locker Room has a very nice vibe and guys enjoy being here.
Whole org enjoyed how well the guys played during that 25-16 stretch in the 2nd half. Guys enjoy each other and continuity is ultra important.
Asik/Ajinca compliment each other very well. Asik takes a lot of pressure off of AD and allows him to roam. Points out the poor rebounding prior to his(Asik's) arrival.
Ajinca wasn't ready for the NBA physically a few years back. He did a great job honing his craft overseas and this team wouldn't have won some games without him.
Dante has brought a lot that hasn't shown up in the box score. Credits his energy/toughness.
I was hoping there was some more meat to the article, but your bullets pretty much covered it. I think Dell may be, in a way, indicting Monty by staying pat. We'll see how it works out.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:26 am to MrPel
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Dropped passes that lead to lost possessions, fumbled balls out of bounds or right into the defenders hands
Even if they don't get charged to Asik they get charged to someone. How is Asik destroying our offense with turnovers when we were a top 5 turnover team most of the year ended up 6th? Yes it's a weakness of his, but it's a weakness the team can absorb. Believe it or not, the Pels were 25th in turnovers the year before Asik arrived. We also improved in ORtg from 13th in 13-14 to 9th last season, yet Asik and his fumbly hands and blocked shots are some offense crushing liability.
I wanted a one year deal to keep our options open because I do think our money can be put to better use long term, but the level of hate he gets is over the top. This isn't like Gordon or Peja, max deals for players not playing, it's not even like Okafor, max deal for an average and declining player, Asik is getting paid like the 18th best center in the league. A little above his station perhaps, but Koufos' $8 per year is probably as low as you're likely to get in the new economy for comparable talent not on a rookie deal. So it's at most a $3 million per year overpay. Would it be nice to upgrade him? Absolutely. But people need to stop acting like he's what's wrong with this team.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:29 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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think Dell may be, in a way, indicting Monty by staying pat. We'll see how it works out.
Completely Agree. Obviously, they feel health will make a huge difference for this team but it's clear they think the talent was there and Monty was just fricking it up.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 9:29 am
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:31 am to TigerinATL
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Believe it or not, the Pels were 25th in turnovers the year before Asik arrived
Stiesma
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:38 am to TigerinATL
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blocked shots are some offense crushing liability.
Also, blocking an Asik shot attempt is no worse than any other missed shot. It's not like a perimeter block where it allows a team to run.
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:41 am to MrPel
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Give me Koufas, Lopez, Kanter, Tyson chandler to name a few
Uhhh. Aside from Koufas, I'll take Asik's contract over those listed every single day of the week and I wouldn't have to think twice about it.
Kanter is getting the fricking max baw. frick THAT. He's the worst defensive center in the entire league. GTFO with that shite.
Lopez is also making millions/year more than Asik and while, better offensively, he's much much much weaker defensively and on the boards. And still makes significantly more than Asik. frick THAT.
Chandler is also making about 1-2 million more than Asik. I'd be happy with chandler, but he's also 32 fricking years old and no way in hell would I want him on a 4 year deal with his injury history. frick THAT.
Koufos would be ok. He's slightly worse than asik, and he makes slightly less. IDK how we would have gotten him though without give up assets in a S&T. Giving up assets is not worth Kosta Koufos.
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