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Income to house cost ratio: Assuming pretax income, what is the marginal ratio?

Posted on 6/3/15 at 2:12 pm
Posted by kjacksonp
Mobile, AL
Member since Dec 2006
1070 posts
Posted on 6/3/15 at 2:12 pm
Thanks for the help.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 2:14 pm
Posted by That's BS
Smoothie King Center
Member since Jan 2012
1783 posts
Posted on 6/3/15 at 2:25 pm to
Read something on MSN money yesterday that said 28% of pretax income. I prefer that number to be less than 20%.

My current mortgage + insurance + taxes is more like 10% of monthly gross income, but this is my starter home.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
84300 posts
Posted on 6/3/15 at 2:30 pm to
most banks are going to go by 25%-30%

whether or not that is high, depends on your situation

when we first bought our house, it was in the 30% range, but we bought our house at the beginning of our earning potential with the plan to stay in the house long term

5 years later, that % has reduced by almost half

Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37880 posts
Posted on 6/3/15 at 3:13 pm to
Consider going significantly less. You don't want to be house poor.
Posted by Phate
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
11746 posts
Posted on 6/3/15 at 4:01 pm to
When I bought my house the total mortgage (plus insurance and property taxes) totaled 19% of my gross monthly income. If your credit is good you'll probably be able to get a loan that will put you closer to 30% but that's a very large chunk of your monthly income. I wouldn't go above the lower 20's.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 4:02 pm
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
16901 posts
Posted on 6/3/15 at 5:34 pm to
Always live below your means.

Housing is overrated as an investment, however, you do have to live somewhere.

I would say maybe 20% of income is the maximum I would consider for housing.
The less, the better.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:15 pm to
I'm in the low teens and I think that I bit off way more than I should have. I would get stomach ulcers if I was at 25%. I can't even fathom 43%.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4282 posts
Posted on 6/3/15 at 9:12 pm to
Assuming a conventional, conforming mortgage, the typical high ratio would be roughly 28% of gross being allowed for PITI (and PMI) and 35% for total monthly debt payments. For a jumbo loan, atypical situation or an in-house/non-conforming loan, your mileage may vary.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
27031 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 7:27 am to
Pretax max 36%. I'd say be more around 25%, but things like taxes/schools/commute Should all be factored in.

Are you a "home body" or a "social bug"? Do you drive Hondas until they die or lease 5 series every 3 years? Shop outlets or wear designers only?

Look at responses in this thread. Everyone is different based on personality. Know thy self is the best advice on home buying anyone can ever give you

Good luck!
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 7:28 am
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20568 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 12:22 pm to
This is an impossible question to answer. Home liquidity, net worth, what kind of a deal you got and how well value holds (along with many other examples) play an enormous role in this decision, not some arbitrary percentage.

Let's say you are looking at houses with the exact same specs, one in NOLA is 450k, and one in Lacombe is $225k. Lets just say this puts your mortgage at 50% and 25% of pretax income, until you lose your job and your mortgage is just a debt you can't pay either way. Would you prefer to have stretched your income more to pay for a house you can get rid of within the month? Or would you prefer to have the house that may take a year or more to get rid of?

Houses in uptown New Orleans are more expensive than houses in Lacombe, LA for a reason.

Now this example is a simplified one, and not intended to make one investment sound "better" than another. It is simply an illustration of how you can't just apply some set percentage to your income to see how much house you can "afford".

Also, IMO, never do any type of analysis like this on a pretax basis. Taxes are an expense, just like your house note, and are the one expense you can count on, you will never get out of them, and should be the first items deducted from your budget before any other expenses can be considered.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
19041 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 3:09 pm to
When I applied for my first mortgage, I was told I could buy a $400k house. My wife and I made $90k at that time.

I almost puked at the thought of having such a high monthly mortgage payment.

I don't have anything official, but at $90k/year, we were living okay with a $1130/month payment on a $179k house. I wish we had put down more money though.
Posted by AUFanInSoCal
Orange County
Member since Nov 2007
1616 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 3:09 pm to
16% - Mortgage here in SoCal not including taxes,insurance and HOA dues. Don't forget upkeep. Adding everything up.. easily 22 to 25%. A house costs more than just the mortgage.
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