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re: Tobias Harris
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:00 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:00 pm to TigerinATL
I'l say it once again....Jeremy Lamb is the perfect fit for our three spot.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:07 pm to Rico Tubbs
my pipe dream is to trade asik somehow for just about anything.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:21 pm to TigerinATL
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Except the reason we traded for Asik in the first place was so we'd have his Bird Rights because we won't have the cap space to sign a FA like Asik or RoLo or Koufos.
Forgive me for asking as I am not in tune with the salary cap situation as you are, but Asik coming off the books would give use 8-9 mil in space due to his poison pill contract? Surely that would be enough for Koufos or Lopez while still having the MLE correct? I like Asik, but I would sacrifice rebounding and D for a 5 who doesn't have hands of stone.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:24 pm to dafif5
The MLE is only for teams operating above the salary cap, but below the tax payer threshold. If they renounced Asik they'd drop below the salary cap, but only about 5-6 mil below, which would be stupid because that is the same amount that the MLE is.
ETA: this is the main reason why people want to keep Asik. If they get rid of Asik (by renouncing his rights), the Pels won't have enough cap space to sign a center that is better than him. Ideally I'd like to re-sign him on a 1 year deal, but I'm not sure if he'd be down with that.
ETA: this is the main reason why people want to keep Asik. If they get rid of Asik (by renouncing his rights), the Pels won't have enough cap space to sign a center that is better than him. Ideally I'd like to re-sign him on a 1 year deal, but I'm not sure if he'd be down with that.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:27 pm to Epic Cajun
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The MLE is only for teams operating above the salary cap, but below the tax payer threshold. If they renounced Asik they'd drop below the salary cap, but only about 5-6 mil below, which would be stupid because that is the same amount that the MLE is.
So could we sign someone else, get over the salary cap, and then have the MLE to spend or does the MLE only apply to the cap before free agency starts?
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:37 pm to dafif5
You can only go over to cap to sign your own players, or through trades. If the Pels renounced him and got 5.5 mil under the cap, they couldn't sign a player(from another team) for 7 mil to get back over the cap. If they wanted to get back over the cap they'd have to trade someone like Ryno for someone like Batum, which is a legal trade and would add enough salary to get over the cap (hypothetically).
ETA: the example that I used isn't perfect because it only gives them 3.3 mil more incoming than outgoing, but you get the idea.
ETA: the example that I used isn't perfect because it only gives them 3.3 mil more incoming than outgoing, but you get the idea.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:37 pm to dafif5
You can only go over the cap to re-sign your own players or through certain exceptions. In this case, we would could not go above the cap by signing an Asik replacement. We would have the cap room plus the cap room exception (forgot its value)
ETA: or through trades like EC just said
ETA: or through trades like EC just said
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:41 pm to dafif5
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Forgive me for asking
Asking and learning is what this board is for.
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Asik coming off the books would give use 8-9 mil in space due to his poison pill contract?
First, the poison pill. The way Asik's contract is structured is an unintended consequence of a rule meant to help teams keep 2nd rounders that out perform their short 2 year rookie deals. The poison pill part is that had Chicago matched, this 3/$24 deal would have counted $5/$5/$14 against their cap, but for Houston the cap hit was averaged to $8 over all 3 years, but the money is still paid as the contract is written. The poison pill is the $14.5 million that would have blown up Chicago's cap had they matched. We still had to pay all the money, but the cap hit was just $8.3 million.
As for the question of "Asik's $8 million is coming off the books, that means I have $8 million to spend right?" the answer is not necessarily. The salary cap is projected to increase to $67 million. With all of the contracts we are currently committed to and/or likely to keep
Holiday
Gordon
Tyreke
Ryno
AD
Pondexter
Cole
Roster holds (have to account for at least 12 players on the rookie minimum salary)
So the current roster minus Asik, Cunningham, Ajinca, Withey, Babbitt and Jimmer adds up to $61.4 million, or $5.5 million under the projected cap. But going under the cap means losing your exceptions, including the MLE which is basically the same amount as the cap space you now have. Additionaly you lose exceptions that you probably could have resigned Ajinca and Cunningham with. So not re-signing Asik not only doesn't give you enough cap space to pursue a comparable alternative like RoLo or Koufos, it also costs you the ability to retain key bench contributors. Where as keeping Asik lets you keep everyone else and use the MLE to add a $5ish million player to the mix.
The question with Asik really isn't whether to resign him or not, it's whether you give him an overpriced 1 year deal with an eye towards moving on in 2016, or give him a 4 year declining deal where in year 3 and 4 he's just making decent backup money thanks to the escalating cap.
There are a few scenarios I can think of where we don't retain Asik, but those involve some fairly significant trades with at least 2 of Gordon/Anderson/Tyreke leaving but it also requires the right things breaking our way with other teams' situations so it's unlikely.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:47 pm to TigerinATL
Thanks everyone.
I'd rather ask you guys than ask Macnamara or one of the BSS guys. All of them except for Grayson, Madison, and Anjrue are pretentious attention seeking dooshes.
I'd rather ask you guys than ask Macnamara or one of the BSS guys. All of them except for Grayson, Madison, and Anjrue are pretentious attention seeking dooshes.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:05 pm to dafif5
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I'd rather ask you guys than ask Macnamara or one of the BSS guys. All of them except for Grayson, Madison, and Anjrue are pretentious attention seeking dooshes.
Well, we are a bunch of racist homophobes, so I'm glad we didn't scare you off
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:14 pm to TigerinATL
We might need a small salary cap FAQ before FA starts.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 6:35 pm to GynoSandberg
Maybe we cam cam get hill in a trade if Lakers go big in draft.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 7:48 pm to icebergrich
I'd actually rather Ed Davis, I think he could play some Center or Power Forward and may only cost around the MLE.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 8:53 am to TigerinATL
From a Steve Kyler chat, he covers the Magic for Basketball Insiders.
LINK /
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I think the first thing to note about Skiles and Tobias is both are in very different places in their career. I wouldn’t call a Skiles hire ideal in the Harris situation, but I have for a while suspected Orlando would let Tobias walk if the price tag in free agency gets up over $13 million a year and I think its a safe bet it will.
LINK /
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:10 am to TigerinATL
from the link, on Moe Harkless
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Too many guys who play where he plays. He’s not a “rim to rim” guy and the staff in place valued effort above all else. Mo is a very laid back easy going guy and the former staff valued aggressive personalities more. Its a shame because when Mo has support and confidence he’s a heck of a player. We’ll see what the new staff thinks, but I think he gets traded. Needs a fresh start.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:16 am to TeddyPadillac
I want to both upgrade Cunningham and keep Cunningham, so I'm not sure we have room for Harkless even as a project unless we do something like trade Gordon and give Pondexter more SG minutes.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:28 am to TigerinATL
I know exactly what you mean.
I want Cunningham on this team. I'd rather get rid of Pondexter, but if we do, his replacement needs to be a good bit better, not a project. I would still like to get Harkless and see what he can do. I'd much rather him than Babbitt.
I really don't want to get rid of EG. His 3pt shooting is elite right now. It would be nice if the refs would start giving him some calls when he drives.
I want Cunningham on this team. I'd rather get rid of Pondexter, but if we do, his replacement needs to be a good bit better, not a project. I would still like to get Harkless and see what he can do. I'd much rather him than Babbitt.
I really don't want to get rid of EG. His 3pt shooting is elite right now. It would be nice if the refs would start giving him some calls when he drives.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 12:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I'd rather get rid of Pondexter,
You want to get rid of the only guy on the roster over 6'4" who offers 3pt shooting, some defense, and is on a cheap contract for the next few years to keep Cunningham?
Ye, gods.
This post was edited on 5/27/15 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 5/27/15 at 1:46 pm to corndeaux
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quote:
I'd rather get rid of Pondexter,
You want to get rid of the only guy on the roster over 6'4" who offers 3pt shooting, some defense, and is on a cheap contract for the next few years to keep Cunningham?
Ye, gods.
With his cheap price tag, he's one of the more valuable pieces that we have. He'd at least fetch the MLE on the open market. Maybe more with his impressive 3 point shooting last season.
ETA: one of the few Pels that is worth more than his salary
This post was edited on 5/27/15 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 5/28/15 at 8:44 am to corndeaux
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You want to get rid of the only guy on the roster over 6'4" who offers 3pt shooting, some defense, and is on a cheap contract for the next few years to keep Cunningham?
i think you took what i said differently than i meant.
no i don't want to let go of Qpon to keep Cunningham. I want to upgrade Qpon drastically, and use him as trade bait to make that upgrade, and then keep Cunningham.
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