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re: Biker Shootout at the Twin Peaks in Waco, TX
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:04 am to GrammarKnotsi
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:04 am to GrammarKnotsi
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Your own link says weapons were in the cars...
This man was shot near a car...
You're making one of the most stupid speculative arguments I've yet to hear in this entire thread. The article says he was unarmed. What part of unarmed is not getting through your thick head? Don't you think that if he had a gun in his car AP would have reported that? Every report says the only rifles were LOCKED UP in cars. He was not even out of his car good when he was gunned down.
And on top of that, he was not even a member of a MC, 1%er or otherwise. Why would some guy who's not even a member of any "gang" choose to involve himself in a fight that had nothing to do with him, especially when that fight was taking place right next to a large group of police who were hammering away with M4's?
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Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:06 am to Darth_Vader
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Why would some guy who's not even a member of any "gang" choose to involve himself in a fight that had nothing to do with him
Million dollar question...
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:06 am to Rebelgator
oh so now it's we need guns to protect ourselves from criminals expect for if a cop is around b/c then you are the criminal that needs to be put down.
and how do you know he wasnt just trying to hide?
how do you know what he was doing at all?
dude was unarmed and wasnt there for the biker meeting yet he is dead and you fools want to defend it b/c... bikers are bad.
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Only an idiot would go for his gun in that situation.
Once the cops arrive, we just need you to be a good witness.
Cops universally praised the man that got killed in the Tyler Texas courthouse shootout who shot at the maniac that killed his wife and kid and then went on a rampage.
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 10:09 am
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:09 am to Rebelgator
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Yeah, that's what that meant. Sheer brilliance.
Well I said this...
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where did all the rife fire come from?
You replied with this...
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The right places. Into the right people.
I replied to you with this...
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Why in your estimation did an unarmed Vietnam vet who does not even belong to any club deserve to die that day?
And you answered my question with this...
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Something about dogs and fleas.
Plus, if he's really Jesus he'd have risen again by now.
So yes, it's quite clear that your position is that everyone who died that day deserved what happened and you've got zero problems with the cops killing people as long as you don't like them.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:10 am to Dr RC
So, a regular person pulling a gun in the middle of a gunfight between cops and TPOS bikers is a smart person is what you're saying?
I hate guns. I hate bikers. That guy wasn't really Jesus.
I hate guns. I hate bikers. That guy wasn't really Jesus.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:14 am to Rebelgator
Daaaamn dis ish is still going on?
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:14 am to Rebelgator
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So, a regular person pulling a gun in the middle of a gunfight between cops and TPOS bikers is a smart person is what you're saying?
I hate guns. I hate bikers. That guy wasn't really Jesus.
For the eighth or nin time... This guy was UNARMED.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:15 am to Rebelgator
How many pages have you two argued the same points?
I think the cops likely overreacted. I think there are bikers in jail who shouldn't be, but I don't care if a violent 1%er gets gunned down by the police.
I assume it'll eventually surface that Waco PD was 80% of this situation, but I'll wait until real outlets dig into it, I'm not getting riled up about constitutional violations just because Aging Rebel reports it.
I think the cops likely overreacted. I think there are bikers in jail who shouldn't be, but I don't care if a violent 1%er gets gunned down by the police.
I assume it'll eventually surface that Waco PD was 80% of this situation, but I'll wait until real outlets dig into it, I'm not getting riled up about constitutional violations just because Aging Rebel reports it.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:19 am to Darth_Vader
I've always been a supporter of the right to own a gun. Not to shoot people, but to perhaps hunt if you needed to. Guns to me are merely tools. 50 years never had to pull one on anybody. Just a freekin gun to me.
But, not a day goes by where I don't open my news apps and read perhaps dozens of news stories both local and national. What do I see too much of? Senseless gun violence. Husband shoots wife and kids then himself. The school shooting several years ago. The aurora theatre shooting. Ferguson MO. Baltimore. Even in my community which used to be a very safe place, I am reading about shootings on almost a daily basis. Drunks getting in arguments and killing each other. Even family members, like the other day this young guy violently beat his mother to death over an argument about his school grades or some stuff like that. There were at least 38 murders in Baltinore in the month of May.
It's really getting ridiculous. Not just all about guns but violence in general. There is something wrong with how people are thinking these days. There is no way in hades I would ever be a cop. They get little respect even though they may face life and death and make decisions in those situations and are often blamed when the situation turns out like the public didn't want it to. Collateral damage is unfortunate, but damn. Just don't be there and be in that situation.
This is a very unfortunate ordeal. I am beginning to wonder if typical Americans should have gun rights. But, it would be impossible to take guns away from us. There are just too many of them and they are easy to get legally or illegally.
Anyway, hope Waco gets this mess worked out soon. Releases some investigative information to put this behind us and move the communities forward. Just a thought.
But, not a day goes by where I don't open my news apps and read perhaps dozens of news stories both local and national. What do I see too much of? Senseless gun violence. Husband shoots wife and kids then himself. The school shooting several years ago. The aurora theatre shooting. Ferguson MO. Baltimore. Even in my community which used to be a very safe place, I am reading about shootings on almost a daily basis. Drunks getting in arguments and killing each other. Even family members, like the other day this young guy violently beat his mother to death over an argument about his school grades or some stuff like that. There were at least 38 murders in Baltinore in the month of May.
It's really getting ridiculous. Not just all about guns but violence in general. There is something wrong with how people are thinking these days. There is no way in hades I would ever be a cop. They get little respect even though they may face life and death and make decisions in those situations and are often blamed when the situation turns out like the public didn't want it to. Collateral damage is unfortunate, but damn. Just don't be there and be in that situation.
This is a very unfortunate ordeal. I am beginning to wonder if typical Americans should have gun rights. But, it would be impossible to take guns away from us. There are just too many of them and they are easy to get legally or illegally.
Anyway, hope Waco gets this mess worked out soon. Releases some investigative information to put this behind us and move the communities forward. Just a thought.
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 10:26 am
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:22 am to BigSECfan
quote:Why can't we have fun right. I think I have a right to fun. Fun should not be governed or legislated.
beginning to wonder if typical Americans should have fun rights
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 10:28 am
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:24 am to Armymann50
LOL. I edited it. I do think some people are actually allergic to fun though. Be obsessed over guns and fighting all the time I guess. I dunno man.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:26 am to Darth_Vader
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This guy was UNARMED.
But what was he doing in the car...? You linked that guns were found in cars, so who is to say he wasn't going for a gun
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:26 am to Pettifogger
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I think the cops likely overreacted. I think there are bikers in jail who shouldn't be, but I don't care if a violent 1%er gets gunned down by the police.
Most of the people gunned down were not 1%ers, some, like the decorated Vietnam Vet were not even armed or a member of any club.
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I assume it'll eventually surface that Waco PD was 80% of this situation, but I'll wait until real outlets dig into it, I'm not getting riled up about constitutional violations just because Aging Rebel reports it.
The last link I shared was an AP article in the Star Telegram, not the Aging Rebel, who BTW is a very respected source not just in biker circles. As for getting riled up, I think any American citizen who purports to love and support the Constitution of the United States should be riled up when whole groups are rounded up wholesale and held in jail for going on a month now with virtually zero evidence they individually did anything wrong. Furthermore, I'd think those same people would get riled up when there is mounting evidence the cops overreacted to a fight and let loose on a crowd of people and are now trying to cover up the facts of the matter and hide the truth from the public.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:30 am to Darth_Vader
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whole groups are rounded up wholesale and held in jail for going on a month now with virtually zero evidence they individually did anything wrong.
If we were at war and you captured an enemy base, would you take everyone prisoner, or would you interview them all and let the ones who "were not actually shooting at you" free..
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 10:31 am
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:32 am to GrammarKnotsi
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But what was he doing in the car...?
He was just arriving at the meeting. He was gunned down as he was getting out of his car.
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You linked that guns were found in cars, so who is to say he wasn't going for a gun
The only reports on him are that he was unarmed. There's ZERO reports of him having a gun in his car. You're pulling this whole "he had a gun in his car" angle out of your arse with nothing to back up your claim.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:32 am to Darth_Vader
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You're pulling this whole "he didn't have a gun in his car" angle out of your arse with nothing to back up your claim.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:34 am to BigSECfan
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I am beginning to wonder if typical Americans should have gun rights
Same.
The real issue with guns are hand guns though.
You don't see many people killed with a Benelli.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:35 am to GrammarKnotsi
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If we were at war and you captured an enemy base, would you take everyone prisoner, or would you interview them all and let the ones who "were not actually shooting at you" free..
Are you freaking serious? War?!? Really?? We're not at war. The cops are not the army and the bikers are not an enemy army. Those are American citizens and we still have this thing called the Constitution that guarantees us all, even bikers, certain rights. And right now those rights are being shite upon and you're fine with it just because you don't like bikers. That's freaking pathetic.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:35 am to Darth_Vader
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The last link I shared was an AP article in the Star Telegram, not the Aging Rebel, who BTW is a very respected source not just in biker circles. As for getting riled up, I think any American citizen who purports to love and support the Constitution of the United States should be riled up when whole groups are rounded up wholesale and held in jail for going on a month now with virtually zero evidence they individually did anything wrong. Furthermore, I'd think those same people would get riled up when there is mounting evidence the cops overreacted to a fight and let loose on a crowd of people and are now trying to cover up the facts of the matter and hide the truth from the public.
Like I said, when it comes out in places other than a blog, I might get riled up. But while Aging Rebel may be respected in lots of circles, I'm going to hold out for a source that isn't notoriously pro-biker and neutral, at worst, toward OMCs.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 10:35 am to Darth_Vader
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He was just arriving at the meeting.
Why?
To break bread for our sins?
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