re: Ted Wells Interviews with local boston station

why? How are they relevant? a federal court isn't going to be concerned with what's on his phone rather than what information and actions was the decision based on and whether or not said decision was prudent or within their rights

Common is a great way to describe the fans

However, Troy Vincent made it quite clear it factored into the punishment

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wildtigercat93

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If you have a right to refuse, then refusing it shouldn't be used as a main piece of evidence in your investigation.

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This isn't a court of law. The standard of the investigation used to make a decision on whether rules were broken is called a "preponderance of the evidence," and I think a lot of average joe public's here and elsewhere are crowing about, "innocent until proven guilty," and, "he ain't gotta incriminate himself," and other stuff.

Again, he's not going to court. Because when the Discovery Process asks for his electronic records and they've got a subpoena behind them, his case is gonna head south fairly quickly.

But the standards used for making decisions here are=/=what most people are thinking. Every day hearings are held between employers and employees and/or agencies to determine fault, violations, culpability and responsibility. The standard of a preponderance of evidence is consistently and legally applied and that's what was used here.

I mean, Can you blame me?

He's a handsome devil.

frick him.

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But the standards used for making decisions here are=/=what most people are thinking. Every day hearings are held between employers and employees and/or agencies to determine fault, violations, culpability and responsibility. The standard of a preponderance of evidence is consistently and legally applied and that's what was used here

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This is a very good paragraph.

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That's because the investigation never said he was guilty

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Wells just independently said it to the Boston media

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But the standards used for making decisions here are=/=what most people are thinking. Every day hearings are held between employers and employees and/or agencies to determine fault, violations, culpability and responsibility. The standard of a preponderance of evidence is consistently and legally applied and that's what was used here.

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If I'm to understand what you're saying, it seems like you believe (as I do) that a lot of people supporting Brady and Pats keep jumping from one foot to the other on the issue of evidence and the law.

They say Brady doesn't have to turn over his text/email records since this isn't a legal matter, and of course that's absolutely true. In that same vein, the NFL does not have to meet the same burden of proof standard as they would in a court of law.

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not showing them the relevant texts only relating to the case while holding your phone is shady and not normal for an innocent person. They cant defend that

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Wells was not a neutral investigator. Anything Brady handed over would not only be made public, but it would be twisted to fit Wells' pre-determined outcome. Brady had absolutely nothing to gain by turning over the info Wells asked for. If Brady turned it over, Wells would claim it was altered or incomplete anyway. Wells twisted the shite out of what Walt Anderson said and ignored a lot of facts in his report. What would make any sane person think he wouldn't have done the same or probably worse to Tom Brady's phone data?

This whole thread started b/c Wells went public trying to defend himself. If his report was truly unbiased, he would have never had to do that. Wells and the brady haters are screaming about how Brady didn't cooperate. Yet Brady was interviewed for 5.5 hours and answered EVERY question they asked including questions regarding the texts. It's interesting how brady is the subject of this whole thing and was interviewed for a day yet his testimony is absent for the most part from the report.

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I said I thought Brady and Kraft would go that route, and it sure as hell looks like a possibility.

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If you're in the BR area, I'll wager a 12 pack case of the Abita beverage of your choice that Tom Brady nor Bob Kraft open up the electronic records and personal information of any Pats Employee-whether we're talking "deflators" or other flunkies, all the way up to Tom Shady himself-to the subpoena power of a courtroom in order to push this issue.

It will not happen. The Discovery process and the subpoenas that will compel the production of said personal information is something they aren't going to go through.