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Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:18 am to DelU249
quote:Brady and his representatives could pick and choose which texts to provide. They didn't ask to see his sexts with Gisele.
Yeah they just wanted to look at his text messages, no biggie
quote:Like I said above, he could pick and choose which texts to provide. I'm not seeing what he had to lose. He clearly thought this course of action was less damning than providing the relevant texts.
Would you trust a complete stranger with your privacy if you had so much to lose?
quote:It depends.
I wouldn't
ETA: I don't really want to get involved in this ridiculous debate. Just wanted to throw in that Brady and his reps could pick and choose which texts to provide. The investigator didn't want his phone or access to all of his texts. Carry on.
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 10:20 am
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:19 am to wildtigercat93
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You're suggestion makes everyone look bad. If that was their plan, it was a fricking awful one
Look bad to who, the two people that will give a damn about any of this in a couple of months?
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:19 am to DelU249
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I was kind of shocked to see even this level of incompetence from the league
I wasn't
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:20 am to boom roasted
quote:Yeh they are backed in a corner now. At first the "I wouldnt hand over my phone either" was a good argument because nobody wants to do that. But not showing them the relevant texts only relating to the case while holding your phone is shady and not normal for an innocent person. They cant defend that
boom roasted
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:20 am to lsupride87
So let's have a screening of your text messages then
I'm not "taking possession"
They wanted to look at his phone, and even if they did want transcripts, how do they determine what's relevant
You have to read everything in order to do that. Seriously, why not just ask to have Gisele flick it in front of him? He's not "taking possession" of his wife
I'm not "taking possession"
They wanted to look at his phone, and even if they did want transcripts, how do they determine what's relevant
You have to read everything in order to do that. Seriously, why not just ask to have Gisele flick it in front of him? He's not "taking possession" of his wife
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:20 am to Goldrush25
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quote: You're suggestion makes everyone look bad. If that was their plan, it was a fricking awful one Look bad to who, the two people that will give a damn about any of this in a couple of months?
Everyone stopped caring after the Super Bowl before they brought it back up. Makes no sense if you want it to go away to bring it back up and make it a huge story again.
But enjoy your delusion
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:21 am to DelU249
quote:Yeh this is an awful argument. You thought they asked to take his phone, and now that you realize they didnt you are a fish out of water fighting for it's last breath
So let's have a screening of your text messages then
I'm not "taking possession"
They wanted to look at his phone, and even if they did want transcripts, how do they determine what's relevant
You have to read everything in order to do that. Seriously, why not just ask to have Gisele flick it in front of him? He's not "taking possession" of his wife
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:21 am to boom roasted
I'm looking at the article right now. The language is that they wanted to screen his phone. Whether it's taking possession or not is irrelevant. They might as well.
And if Brady could pick and choose then what kind of fricking retarded request is that? What, he's going to incriminate himself?
And if Brady could pick and choose then what kind of fricking retarded request is that? What, he's going to incriminate himself?
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:22 am to lsupride87
I really recommend checking out Mike Florio's segment on the Ross Tucker podcast. He talks about workplace investigations and what is expected of the employee. I found it interesting.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:23 am to DelU249
quote:Good lord.
Seriously, why not just ask to have Gisele flick it in front of him?
You lose all rationality when it comes to the NFL.
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 10:24 am
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:24 am to TigerBait1127
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TigerBait1127
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People say this during every scandal. And in almost every scandal, the NFLPA comes out ahead
Nice rebuttal. Rich and compelling.
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The penalty for ball tampering is also clearly stated in the CBA.
They not only punished them for tampering with the ball. You get that, right? They used the "Integrity of the Game," aspect of the CBA which NFLPA and the Owners agreed to. They also agreed to allow the Shield to consider previous transgressions under the same "Integrity of the Game," section to help formulate proper punishment.
But lastly, what's truly humorous to me is how any Saints Fan is arguing on the side of the New England Patriots punishment. Why you ask? Well, I thought you'd never...
When St. Payton was suspended for a year, the Shield said through its Goodell/Mouthpiece that "ignorance is not an excuse," and nailed both him and Loomis.
Yet the Wells report exonerates Belicheat and the Shield decided not to enforce the same "ignorance is not an excuse," reasoning to nail Billy Ball Pressure to the wall.
Odd that any-even a single-Who Dat would defend the Deflatriots, Tom Shady or Belicheat considering what was done to us.
Screw the Pats.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
They wanted his phone
To sit there in a room, touch it, read it
Whether under supervision or screened on a board is irrelevant. They didn't ask for a release of transcripts so how else did they expect to read it. You can believe damage control all you want, Troy Vincent made it quite clear as did this "report"
Brady is under no obligation to give them shite, nor should his willingness reflect guilt or innocence
It's 2015, your phone is your life and text messages are the juicy stuff, especially when you're Tom Brady
To sit there in a room, touch it, read it
Whether under supervision or screened on a board is irrelevant. They didn't ask for a release of transcripts so how else did they expect to read it. You can believe damage control all you want, Troy Vincent made it quite clear as did this "report"
Brady is under no obligation to give them shite, nor should his willingness reflect guilt or innocence
It's 2015, your phone is your life and text messages are the juicy stuff, especially when you're Tom Brady
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
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I agree Brady should say bullshite to handing over his phone, I wouldnt. But not allowing the the records to your texts to the specific people in the investigation(the ball boys) is pretty shady.
The CBA lists what type of documents that players and clubs have to provide:
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Subject to rules to be agreed to by the parties,
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in any proceeding to review any alleged violation of Article 12 of this Agreement regard-ing any AR issue, the System Arbitrator shall have the authority, upon good cause shown, to direct any Club to produce any tax materials disclosing any income figures for such Club or Club Affiliate (non-income figures may be redacted) which in his or her judgment relates to any such alleged violation, including but not limited to portions of any tax returns or other documents submitted to the Internal Revenue Service. Subject to rules to be agreed to by the parties, in any proceeding to review any alleged violation of Article 13 and/or Article 7 of this Agreement regarding any Salary paid to any play-er(s), the System Arbitrator shall have the authority, upon good cause shown, to direct any such player(s) to produce any tax materials disclosing any income figures for any such player or Player Affiliate (non-income figures may be redacted) which in his or her judgment relates to any such alleged violation, including but not limited to portions of any tax returns or other documents submitted to the Internal Revenue Service. In each case the System Arbitrator shall not release such tax materials to the general public, and any such tax materials shall be treated as strictly confidential under an appropriate pro-tective order
Didn't the NFLPA advise him not to turn over his cell phone? Personal communication on personal devices should be out of scope in there investigation.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:24 am to DelU249
quote:That is our whole point. Clearly, what ever was on his phone incriminated him, or he would have shared the relevant texts. That is why I think he is afraid of a real court. Those texts will be public to everyone if he goes there
What, he's going to incriminate himself?
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:25 am to wildtigercat93
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Everyone stopped caring after the Super Bowl before they brought it back up. Makes no sense if you want it to go away to bring it back up and make it a huge story again.
They began an investigation. Are you suggesting that they just keep it going indefinitely since no one was talking about it?
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:27 am to lsupride87
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That is why I think he is afraid of a real court. Those texts will be public to everyone if he goes there
If there is anything incriminating in them, they are gone by now. So I don't see how he would be afraid of that either way
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:28 am to wildtigercat93
quote:That's the confusing part to me. Why not just go back and delete the messages? It's a very simple process on modern cell phones. Was the refusal based on principle alone?
If there is anything incriminating in them, they are gone by now. So I don't see how he would be afraid of that either way
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:28 am to Goldrush25
Releasing a lighter punishment (Like the browns/falcons got) and doing it immediately as the report came out would've put it to rest before the hysteria started
If that was the goal between the Pats and Goodell. But it clearly wasn't a co-OP like you want to believe
If that was the goal between the Pats and Goodell. But it clearly wasn't a co-OP like you want to believe
Posted on 5/13/15 at 10:29 am to GFunk
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They not only punished them for tampering with the ball. You get that, right? They used the "Integrity of the Game," aspect of the CBA which NFLPA and the Owners agreed to. They also agreed to allow the Shield to consider previous transgressions under the same "Integrity of the Game," section to help formulate proper punishment.
And you realize that courts and arbitrators have ruled against Roger and the NFL before when using that clause right?
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Odd that any-even a single-Who Dat would defend the Deflatriots, Tom Shady or Belicheat considering what was done to us.
Sorry I'm not a hypocrite. Roger is inconsistent with his punishments. That is a huge problem to me, but really has nothing to do with looking at this. If the Pats organization is penalized, consistency states that Bill should be to.
That has nothing to do with Tom Brady's suspension.
Also, the NFLPA dominated Roger via courts and eventually Tags ...
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 10:30 am
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