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re: Russia Unveils New Main Battle Tank, Among Other Things
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:18 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:18 am to StraightCashHomey21
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If the Russians decided to mess around in the Atlantic it would leave the north west a part of the country, the baltic and north sea for the taking. Leaving St Petersburg extremely vulnerable.
It was, and I'm assuming still is, Russian doctrine that if a war like we've been discussing ever did come about they would attempt to cut off the Atlantic via use of their sub fleet coupled with long range bombers armed with cruise missiles. Meanwhile defense of the Baltic coast would fall on land based air assets based in that area.
The key is is that at this time, I do not think the Russians have the sufficient force capabilities to choke off the Atlantic like they had back in the 80's. However, they are working had to regain that capability and at their current rate, could conceivably regain that ability within the decade.
But even if war were to break out today. It would still be highly risky for the U.S. to move a carrier group into the Baltic. It's a very small body of water and the Russians still have enough missile assets to threaten total inhalation to a surface fleet operating there.
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Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:18 am to CoachDon
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That's just silly IMO. All the qualities and attributes available to describe a warrior are embodied in an American soldier. No military is better trained and prepared for combat. I'll take not only our soldiers, but our military leadership like Lieutenant General Frederick “Ben” Hodges-USAREUR.
We were once perhaps, but not any longer, our military is being emasculated even as we speak, in another few months the Army and Marines will be forced to admit women into the combat arms (infantry, armor and artillery) and we will then be fully pussified.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:20 am to GrammarKnotsi
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ASW/USW is a completely different battle...I know..You can talk planes, troops and tanks all day, but if a sub sinks your only ways of getting them there...
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:20 am to Vito Andolini
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our military is being emasculated even as we speak
Stay on track here grandpa
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:22 am to Darth_Vader
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The key is is that at this time, I do not think the Russians have the sufficient force capabilities to choke off the Atlantic like they had back in the 80's. However, they are working had to regain that capability and at their current rate, could conceivably regain that ability within the decade.
no they won't
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But even if war were to break out today. It would still be highly risky for the U.S. to move a carrier group into the Baltic. It's a very small body of water and the Russians still have enough missile assets to threaten total inhalation to a surface fleet operating there.
NATO Navy's would buy us time, that and we have AF and Army on rotation in the Baltics.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:22 am to Vito Andolini
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We were once perhaps, but not any longer, our military is being emasculated even as we speak, in another few months the Army and Marines will be forced to admit women into the combat arms (infantry, armor and artillery) and we will then be fully pussified.
as nice as i can say this stfu
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:24 am to Shamalamadingdong
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This will probably happen anyway. The Russian population is getting older and smaller. This will be the last option for them to move against the Balkans and central European countries to push their borders. They are very aware that Germany and Poland-which is very strong-should be able to overtake them within the next 15-20 years based on demographics alone.
The US electorate is sick of war and will have no more of it, no matter who Russia invades and overruns in Europe, which is a place that a large portion of the US electorate could not find on a map, nor would they care to do so, unless they were a rich white man planning a vacation.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:25 am
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:26 am to GrammarKnotsi
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Stay on track here grandpa
I am on track, boy, I was simply responding to a previous post. And what I said is true, our military is becoming a giant, diversity social experiment.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:27 am to WeeWee
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Good thought but no. Russia would get its arse kicked by NATO.
If war were to break out today, probably. But it would not be as much of a cakewalk as you imagine. Like I've said before, the NATO of 2015 is a far cry from the NATO of 1988-89. The main contributors of forces to NATO has always been the US, GB, and Germany. And all three of those heavily slashed their militaries in the 90's (remember the "Peace Dividend"?). Yes, they're all still well equipped and well armed, but they're not near as big as they use to be. Furthermore, at the rate the Russians are rearming and rebuilding their military, the advantage that NATO now holds can be gone within a decade.
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ETA: Russia may have developed new tech (which is probably still years behind ours), but they will never be able to afford enough of them to beat NATO.
Don't sell the Russians short. Yes it looks like their military hardware is garbage based on how it's performed when crewed by Arab troops. But that's more to do with the poor quality of the Arab troops than the poorly maintained equipment they use.
For example, in the First Gulf War, the best tanks the Iraqi forces threw against us were all using out of date T-72 and the rounds they were using were outdated and nothing like the modern tank ammo the Russians have.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:29 am to Vito Andolini
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I am on track, boy,
Allow me to reiterate what others have said..Kindly, STFU..
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what I said is true, our military is becoming a giant, diversity social experiment.
You should do your homework if you think females in the military is some new fangled experiment..
ETA: Judging by your past posts, you hate the blacks and gays are in there too...
You never mention your own service though
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:32 am
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:31 am to CoachDon
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I'll take, "What kicks a tanks arse", for $100 Alex-
The Warthog will soon no longer exist as part of the US inventory. It is being phased out.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:31 am to StraightCashHomey21
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If a general war in Europe broke out and the Atlantic was cut off to our convoys and it fell to air transports to keep our forces supplied and reinforced, we'd be in the same shape as the German 6th Army encircled at Stalingrad trying to survive off the Luftwaffe air resupply. Simply put, there's no way we could keep of fighting force against the Russians maintained through the air. The front would collapse in a matter of weeks or even days.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:32 am to GrammarKnotsi
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You should do your homework if you think females in the military is some new fangled experiment..
exactly
the experiment is failing big time, throw in the fact almost all women don't even want to be in combat arms.
Regardless women still do see combat.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:33 am to Vito Andolini
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as nice as i can say this stfu
As nice as I can say this, make me.
I served in the mechanized infantry, no way in hell women belong there, they physically can't handle it, but we are going to let them in to make a bunch of liberals in Washington feel better about themselves by forcing the military to be more "inclusive." That will make us a weaker Nation protected by a weaker military.
To bring this back to topic, our pussified military will be less than a military like Russia's that only cares about winning and doesn't give a shite about diversity, inclusiveness and being LGBT friendly. Only thing we have going for us at this point is technology, which obviously means a lot, but that gap is getting narrower, which again, is the original poster's point.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:34 am to White Roach
Posted by White Roach on 5/5/15 at 4:45 pm to Backinthe615
What's actually happening in that pic? Is it some type of recovery or transport vehicle? You can see the yellow load binders securing the tank to the deck. I'm curious about why it's tilted so extremely. Maybe it's some sort of testing device... Do the engines run, does the turret turn, etc. at extreme angles.
Can one of you armor experts help me out!?!
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I posted the questions and comments above yesterday afternoon. I'm still curious about the "Tank Catapult" pic. Anyone know what's actually happening in that pic?
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:34 am to Darth_Vader
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If a general war in Europe broke out and the Atlantic was cut off to our convoys and it fell to air transports to keep our forces supplied and reinforced, we'd be in the same shape as the German 6th Army encircled at Stalingrad trying to survive off the Luftwaffe air resupply. Simply put, there's no way we could keep of fighting force against the Russians maintained through the air. The front would collapse in a matter of weeks or even days.
This isn't WWII, and logistically no other nation can match what we can do.
Russia on the other hand would have a nightmare logistically pushing west.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:35 am to GrammarKnotsi
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Will you still say this as 6000 of them sink onboard ONE Carrier as Russian/Chinese subs dominate our Navy..?
Is that not a risk of any Navy? I'm glad you brought up the Navy, I wish NavyTiger were around...Here are some facts to chew on regarding the U.S. Navy-
The U.S. Navy has the most ships by far of any navy worldwide.
It also has the greatest diversity of missions and the largest area of responsibility.
No other navy has the global reach of the U.S. Navy, which regularly operates in the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans, as well as the Mediterranean, Persian Gulf and the Horn of Africa. The U.S. Navy also forward deploys ships to Japan, Europe and the Persian Gulf.
The U.S. Navy has 288 battle force ships, of which typically a third are underway at any given time.
The U.S. Navy has 10 aircraft carriers, nine amphibious assault ships, 22 cruisers, 62 destroyers, 17 frigates and 72 submarines.
In addition to ships, the U.S. Navy has 3,700 aircraft, making it the second largest air force in the world. At 323,000 active and 109,000 personnel, it is also the largest navy in terms of manpower.
What makes the U.S. Navy stand out the most is its 10 aircraft carriers—more than the rest of the world put together. Not only are there more of them, they’re also much bigger: a single Nimitz-class aircraft carrier can carry twice as many planes (72) as the next largest foreign carrier. Unlike the air wings of other countries, which typically concentrate on fighters, a typical U.S. carrier air wing is a balanced package capable of air superiority, strike, reconnaissance, anti-submarine warfare and humanitarian assistance/disaster relief missions.
The U.S. Navy’s 31 amphibious ships make it the largest “gator” fleet in the world, capable of transporting and landing on hostile beaches. The nine amphibious assault ships of the Tarawa and Wasp classes can carry helicopters to ferry troops or act as miniature aircraft carriers, equipped with AV-8B Harrier attack jets and soon F-35B fighter-bombers.
The U.S. Navy has 54 nuclear attack submarines, a mix of the Los Angeles, Seawolf, and Virginia classes. The U.S. Navy is also responsible for the United States’ strategic nuclear deterrent at sea, with 14 Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines equipped with a total of 336 Trident nuclear missiles. The USN also has four Ohio-class submarines stripped of nuclear missiles and modified to carry 154 Tomahawk land attack missiles.
The U.S. Navy has the additional roles of ballistic missile defense, space operations and humanitarian assistance/disaster relief. As of October 2013, 29 cruisers and destroyers were capable of intercepting ballistic missiles, with several forward deployed to Europe and Japan. It also monitors space in support of U.S. military forces, tracking the satellites of potential adversaries. Finally, the U.S. Navy’s existing aircraft carriers and amphibious vessels, plus the dedicated hospital ships USNS Mercy and USNS Comfort, constitute a disaster relief capability that has been deployed in recent years to Indonesia, Haiti, Japan and the Philippines.
BOOM MOTHERfrickER!
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:38 am to Vito Andolini
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As nice as I can say this, make me.
I would gladly put my boot to your neck, if that was still allowed.
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I served in the mechanized infantry, no way in hell women belong there, they physically can't handle it, but we are going to let them in to make a bunch of liberals in Washington feel better about themselves by forcing the military to be more "inclusive." That will make us a weaker Nation protected by a weaker military.
news flash it isn't happening how about you pay attention and actual talk to people in the fricking military. They keep trying these women in the roles as experiements and they all fricking fail or don't even volounteer.
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To bring this back to topic, our pussified military will be less than a military like Russia's that only cares about winning and doesn't give a shite about diversity, inclusiveness and being LGBT friendly. Only thing we have going for us at this point is technology, which obviously means a lot, but that gap is getting narrower, which again, is the original poster's point.
You are really are trashy person. I could give zero fricks if the person next to me is gay. As long they do their job and are profesional. Gay people have died and have killed people in combat to you know. Back in your day there was still fricking gays in the military.
Professionalism is another thing that seperates our military from others.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:38 am to CoachDon
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I wish NavyTiger were around
I'm here..So sit back and learn
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BOOM MOTHERfrickER!
I worked ASW for years..Taught some classes even..Your facts and numbers are great, but a few Russian torpedoes would shut them down..A war with Russia/China would involve Nucs and Submarines...Nothing else would be left..
Posted on 5/6/15 at 9:39 am to Bard
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Whether Putin understands that reality or not is a different story.
In that case, my guess is that Putin would go medieval on the Polish people. The response to every IED or guerilla attack on Russian supply or garrison troops would be the razing of the local Polish town to the ground without warning and while the civilians are still at home.
The goal would be to indiscriminately kill Polish civilians in response to terror attacks.
This post was edited on 5/6/15 at 9:41 am
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