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Mainieri's bullpen tactics
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:30 am
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:30 am
i want to start off by saying that by no means do i think i know all about baseball so if im wrong about this please tell me, BUT....
When a pitcher comes out of the bullpen and is pitching well, why doesnt Mainieri stick with him? (im not talking about this game specifically but throughout the year and in years past.)
multiple times this year Person has come in in the 8th and had a 1-2-3 inning where he seemed unhittable and then coach decides to bring in the closer anyway.
in my eyes this problem is two fold. 1) i dont think its ever a good idea to pull a pitcher that is doing well because in a game as mental as baseball, you never really know what youre gonna get from the next guy. 2)it kind of wastes our bullpen arms for the rest of the weekend. yes i know that an inning of work doesnt make a player unusable the next day but at least this year, Stallings has struggled on the second night almost every time he has been called on to close two nights in a row.
When a pitcher comes out of the bullpen and is pitching well, why doesnt Mainieri stick with him? (im not talking about this game specifically but throughout the year and in years past.)
multiple times this year Person has come in in the 8th and had a 1-2-3 inning where he seemed unhittable and then coach decides to bring in the closer anyway.
in my eyes this problem is two fold. 1) i dont think its ever a good idea to pull a pitcher that is doing well because in a game as mental as baseball, you never really know what youre gonna get from the next guy. 2)it kind of wastes our bullpen arms for the rest of the weekend. yes i know that an inning of work doesnt make a player unusable the next day but at least this year, Stallings has struggled on the second night almost every time he has been called on to close two nights in a row.
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Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:32 am to Bert Macklin FBI
At this point we dont have a true closer. Stallings has struggled.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:41 am to Bert Macklin FBI
I think coaches look at players as filling a certain role. If a middle or setup guy is doing well for 2 innings the coach is not going to bump his closer (or the next role up) just because he has done well for 2 innings.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 8:44 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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When a pitcher comes out of the bullpen and is pitching well, why doesnt Mainieri stick with him? (im not talking about this game specifically but throughout the year and in years past.)
Since Dunn has gotten here, we have gone more to these roles. Its not something we really did before him. So I'd say its more his influence. Guess we have to take the good with the bad.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 9:14 am to Bert Macklin FBI
PM is definitely not a flow of the game type coach, he has his ideas of most scenarios going in and that is his style.
I can see why he does it, but I personally wish he would be quicker or slower on the hook based on the daily performance. College players are just too inconsistent to manage in this manner, IMO.
I can see why he does it, but I personally wish he would be quicker or slower on the hook based on the daily performance. College players are just too inconsistent to manage in this manner, IMO.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 11:15 am to Bert Macklin FBI
I am convinced CPM has it mapped out in advance who he wants to pitch in a given inning with little regard to what is going on on the field. Poche was cruising at less than 100 pitches in a 2 hour game, but we have to have our closer in in the 9th. He did this several times this year as well as last year in the regionals. Why not wait for the 1st hint of trouble before pulling the pitcher? I can understand not wanting to burn out pitchers but we ended up using 5 1/2 hours of pitching instead of 2 hrs. At least we won the game.
Posted on 4/3/15 at 2:14 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:
want to start off by saying that by no means do i think i know all about baseball so if im wrong about this please tell me, BUT....
When a pitcher comes out of the bullpen and is pitching well, why doesnt Mainieri stick with him? (im not talking about this game specifically but throughout the year and in years past.)
multiple times this year Person has come in in the 8th and had a 1-2-3 inning where he seemed unhittable and then coach decides to bring in the closer anyway.
in my eyes this problem is two fold. 1) i dont think its ever a good idea to pull a pitcher that is doing well because in a game as mental as baseball, you never really know what youre gonna get from the next guy. 2)it kind of wastes our bullpen arms for the rest of the weekend. yes i know that an inning of work doesnt make a player unusable the next day but at least this year, Stallings has struggled on the second night almost every time he has been called on to close two nights in a row.
I agree with you . One advantage however, is the opponent (a normal Friday night opponent) doesn't get many looks at any one pitcher . As you get through the lineup a few times, the batters will sometimes start to "solve" a pitcher. So working a pitcher only through a few batters enables you to come back with these same guys again on Saturday and/or Sunday.
Plus everybody knows how PM loves his "matchup pitching"
Posted on 4/3/15 at 2:24 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I've been saying this for years and I totally agree. You never know what you gonna get from the next guy.
This post was edited on 4/3/15 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/4/15 at 10:28 am to Bert Macklin FBI
He over coaches, he tries to go by the book, to a fault. Doesn't really understand or likes "small ball" and if is wasn't for Canizaro, we'd be much worse off. If a pitcher strikes out the side in the 8th, he should start the ninth, at the very least, regardless of the pitch count. If he played with "regular" talent he'd be sub 500 every year. Good recruiter but not a real good baseball coach, average at best, JMO.
Posted on 4/4/15 at 10:36 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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When a pitcher comes out of the bullpen and is pitching well, why doesnt Mainieri stick with him? (im not talking about this game specifically but throughout the year and in years past.)
You will burn out your relievers like that. Pitchers are creatures of habit, and most relievers are trained to throw at around 3-4 batters (and they usually throw harder because of it).
Posted on 4/4/15 at 7:05 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I'm a firm believer in the idea that you ride the hot arm. If Person is rolling, go with him. Stallings has done nothing to lose the job but if Person dominates the eighth, keep with him. Our bullpen has been by and large inconsistent this season.
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