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Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:35 am to Datbayoubengal
Also something to think about though, combine players often lighten up from their playing weight to decrease their combine 40 times. IE Clowney who dropped from a playing weight of 277 to a combine weight of 266lbs to earn his impressive 4.53 time from last years show at Lucas Oil.
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:39 am to cdav114
Meh.... The workout and bulking up angle is a cop out imo.
All elite sprinters are mesomorphic. In other words, it takes huge amounts of power and force to go fast.
All elite sprinters are mesomorphic. In other words, it takes huge amounts of power and force to go fast.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:43 am to bayoutiger7
I bet most NFL players were at their fastest their senior year of HS.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:45 am to BigEdLSU
True. But here, we're talking about massive human beings (linemen and linebackers). For them, I think the difference between 275 and 260 can really help them. As opposed to a sprinter gaining pure muscle at 170-220.
No matter how much weight Clowney or Dante Fowler loses, they will never be considered anything but mesomorphs.
We're not talking about small people here
No matter how much weight Clowney or Dante Fowler loses, they will never be considered anything but mesomorphs.
We're not talking about small people here
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:49 am to cdav114
That's a good difference to point out. I fully agree.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:53 am to BigEdLSU
man.. I hope Fowler somehow falls to the Saints
4.61 at 6'3" 261 lbs
i played against him in HS
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:56 am to cdav114
It's not just about the weight either. These guys get older and put on a lot of muscle mass where they're used to working in small, quick movements, but a full out sprint requires a lot of mobility in your hips, back, and shoulders that a lot of guys lose easily when it's not something they're used to working on (especially not position players)
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 11:58 am to TheZaba
Wait a minute. Let's explore that.
Are you saying they don't have a huge focus on stretching? You'll slow down if you get stiff, however I would argue that they are already stretching regularly.
Are you saying they don't have a huge focus on stretching? You'll slow down if you get stiff, however I would argue that they are already stretching regularly.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:00 pm to bayoutiger7
How about next time you use your "FOR EXAMPLE".... you don't use a guy who proved himself on the field in High School and then even more so in College and is now a LOCK to be a first round draft pic in the NFL... Nobody cares about 40 times when you have continuously proven yourself to be a constant elite football player.
And by the way, 247 shows Landon Collins running a 4.4 forty out of High School at 210 lbs... He is now weighing in at 228 lbs... I would imagine that weight AND his frame gaining all that mass would make a difference in his "significantly slower time" of 4.53.
And by the way, 247 shows Landon Collins running a 4.4 forty out of High School at 210 lbs... He is now weighing in at 228 lbs... I would imagine that weight AND his frame gaining all that mass would make a difference in his "significantly slower time" of 4.53.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:05 pm to BigEdLSU
I'm sure they stretch extensively, all thoughout their college careers (mostly to avoid injury).
But I think he was referring to the 40 yard dash - specific training they undergo before the draft, often with specific coaches paid to decrease their 40 times. I think the sprinting technique is far more different than the difference in stretching preparation. agreed?
But I think he was referring to the 40 yard dash - specific training they undergo before the draft, often with specific coaches paid to decrease their 40 times. I think the sprinting technique is far more different than the difference in stretching preparation. agreed?
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:09 pm to cdav114
I guess.... I mean if they learn the stance, how to delay standing tall, efficient motion with the arms.... I mean how long does that really take to explain to someone?
Agree to disagree I guess.
Agree to disagree I guess.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:12 pm to BigEdLSU
Yea I guess I can have no idea how much it really makes a difference... But for some of these guys I imagine hiring a sort of 40 yard dash coach could be a great investment
Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:18 pm to GhostStoryTiger
Easy tiger. I wasn't specifically talking about Landon Collins. He was a great player in high school and college. I was simply using him as an example of a common trend.
As for your sarcasm about the "significantly slower time", if you watch the combine and see them superimpose the 40's of someone who runs a 4.5 with someone who runs a 4.3, there is a "significant" difference.
Here's an example of Amari Cooper/Devante Parker vs. Kevin White (4.45 vs. 4.35). You're telling me the separation at the end of their runs is not "significant" enough to produce a huge difference in a game? And that is the difference between a tenth of a second. Educate yourself.
Superimposed 40 Yard Dash
As for your sarcasm about the "significantly slower time", if you watch the combine and see them superimpose the 40's of someone who runs a 4.5 with someone who runs a 4.3, there is a "significant" difference.
Here's an example of Amari Cooper/Devante Parker vs. Kevin White (4.45 vs. 4.35). You're telling me the separation at the end of their runs is not "significant" enough to produce a huge difference in a game? And that is the difference between a tenth of a second. Educate yourself.
Superimposed 40 Yard Dash
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 12:19 pm to cdav114
quote:
But for some of these guys I imagine hiring a sort of 40 yard dash coach could be a great investment
Without a doubt
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:12 pm to KG5989
quote:
Message Posted by KG5989 Well, Landon Collins also weighed in at 228lbs
If Collins drops 10 pounds, he likely hits TE 4.4 range. No need for a six foot safety to weigh 228 whether it's solid muscle or not. It will affect his ability to move. 215-220 tops.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:17 pm to marcnbc
quote:I always take an inch off a college basketball player's "official height". Thus Martin is not 6' 10" but 6'9". Mickey is not 6'8" but 6'7", etc.
The whole he's 6'10 in his shoes is garbage. You weren't born with shoes on your feet. Some shoes have different size heels. At the senior bowl and combine guys tend to shrink.
Barkley was always listed at 6'6 in college..he was really 6'4 1/2.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:21 pm to Tom Bronco
Dwight Howard is like 6'9 bare-feet. They call him a 7 footer.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:49 pm to bayoutiger7
Everybody says they run 4.4 in high school. A guy on my team who was the fastest man I knew personally, never got below a 4.62 at any of the combines. In person, you can tell when a guy runs a 4.4 forty, because everytime you will have that "WOW HE IS FAST" reaction.
Me personally, mighty as I tried, I never ran below a 4.85, and for a guy playing D-line at 235. Nevertheless, as slow as I was, I was able to continue playing in college at D2 level. 2 years later playing weight of 255, I ran a 5.01. So I can say by experience putting on more weight, will slow you down.
Me personally, mighty as I tried, I never ran below a 4.85, and for a guy playing D-line at 235. Nevertheless, as slow as I was, I was able to continue playing in college at D2 level. 2 years later playing weight of 255, I ran a 5.01. So I can say by experience putting on more weight, will slow you down.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 1:50 pm to QJenk
You ran with laser times at hs practice? 
But seriously, did you?
But seriously, did you?
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