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Posted on 2/20/15 at 2:23 pm to mylsuhat
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hope you're trolling
no i'm not "trolling". coworker was in a direct line of fire. get your people safe before you go in guns blazing.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 5:39 pm to DLauw
I'd say His brain went into fight mode and made the decision to fire before he even reached for his pistol.
Posted on 2/20/15 at 5:41 pm to Broke
Also, Thank You Broke, for showing us a video that once again proves to the clowns that refuse to carry one in the chamber that there is simply no room for error in a situation like this. 
Posted on 2/20/15 at 9:41 pm to Broke
Thank you Broke for giving us your witty perspective. We can debate his form all day but, one thing we can't argue is good guys lived & bad guys died.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 12:56 am to Broke
quote:
I would like to know what Bapple would have done.
I don't have an outline ready but bear with me.
Here is my take:
1. First and foremost, the criminal did not count on one of his victims being armed. The good guy ultimately won. +1 for Team 1911 as well.
2. Unless the armed pharmacist didn't notice the perp early enough, he had ample time to draw and get off an accurate shot before he had workers next to him. But...
3. He may have not been sure the perp was armed. My personal take on this when I teach my classes is that a confirmed armed perp is better than an assumed armed perp. He may have just been posturing and they weren't sure if he was armed. But...
4. When a gun makes an appearance, especially that blatant, there may be little time to act. I think this guy saw that his coworkers were already in danger with a barrel to their heads so he decided to take action. I think he was good in not moving to his right where cover was (that tall counter) because it would have put his coworkers directly in the line of fire between them.
I think the thing that makes this situation toughest is that shite hits the fan quickly when the firearm makes an appearance. Maybe if the armed pharmacist had sat back and observed it could've helped.
But hindsight is 20/20 and when a weapon appears, whether a firearm or blade, it's usually bets-off for me. The only thing keeping you from dying at that point is the man's trigger finger (or his blade in your body if it's a knife).
Posted on 2/21/15 at 9:26 am to Broke
Pharmacist stays cool, calm, shoots, advances, shoots, pops his target! Yessssssss! 
Posted on 2/21/15 at 9:54 am to Clyde Tipton
quote:Me too. Gotta take what they give you in those scenarios, I suppose.
I was giving him credit for unholstering and cocking where the perp couldn't see what he was doing.
quote:I didn't catch that at first but I'd rather have one eardrum than be dead.
He did let that first one go by that guy's ear that was working there.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:03 am to Broke
yup, just another day in the mountains 
Posted on 2/21/15 at 10:20 am to aVatiger
It's a more complex situation then the good result suggests. The probabilities seemed to favor a more tragic result. Good results sometimes obscure objective thinking.
One issue that should be considered is that sometimes the better outcome is to let the perp get away with the money. Banks have come to this conclusion. The reason is that if the perps know there will be weapons inside to protect the cash, their first move is to immediately put a bullet in the head of the guard or whoever they think may be carrying. That's not a good way for these encounters to begin. If the perp is committed to firing, and he thinks the employees are armed, his logical first move is to shoot two or three employees right away to take control of the situation.
The good outcome in this case may be a result of the perp being a drugged up fool who wanted to waive a weapon but was not committed to using it. In that case the danger may not have been so high if they had given the perp the register and some narcotics. With a more committed perp the odds of at least one of the employees taking a hit would likely go up significantly.
One issue that should be considered is that sometimes the better outcome is to let the perp get away with the money. Banks have come to this conclusion. The reason is that if the perps know there will be weapons inside to protect the cash, their first move is to immediately put a bullet in the head of the guard or whoever they think may be carrying. That's not a good way for these encounters to begin. If the perp is committed to firing, and he thinks the employees are armed, his logical first move is to shoot two or three employees right away to take control of the situation.
The good outcome in this case may be a result of the perp being a drugged up fool who wanted to waive a weapon but was not committed to using it. In that case the danger may not have been so high if they had given the perp the register and some narcotics. With a more committed perp the odds of at least one of the employees taking a hit would likely go up significantly.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 12:52 pm to TBoy
Banks have come to that conclusion according to their insurance policies not the empirical evidence that shows victims that respond to a violent attack fair better when responding in turn compared to those that don't resist at all. You put way too much faith in the "logic" of the criminal mind.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 12:56 pm to TBoy
frick it, lets just give it to them, whatever they want. Hell, they are entitled to it. They shouldn't have to walk in with a gun and demand it. Let them have whatever they want... Jesus
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